• dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️
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          1292 years ago

          “Are you suuuuure you don’t want to use Edge? Are you suuuuure you don’t want it to be the default handler for .pdf and .svg files? Are you sure? Are you sure you’re sure? Just in case, we’ll pin it to your start menu again and put a shortcut to it on your desktop. Just until you’re sure.”

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        432 years ago

        Cortana is being killed and replaced with their ChatGPT Bing thing.

        • livus
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          112 years ago

          Does that mean the AI thing will be unable to be uninstalled?

          • DreamySweet
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            132 years ago

            Probably. It will be an “essential” part of the OS, like Edge.

            • zib
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              182 years ago

              Which means it’ll probably be training on literally everything you do on the computer and reporting it all back to Microsoft

            • Nougat
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              It will be an “essential” part of the OS, like Edge Internet Explorer 4.

            • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️
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              Just like Cortana, however, there will be a way to disable it via Group Policy somehow. That’s because government institutions that use Windows will not be happy with there being a feature in the OS that is capable of listening to a microphone and transmitting what it hears to a third party. I know Cortana can take voice commands, and I’d doubt their AI thingy will be much different in the user facing implementation.

      • crowsby
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        232 years ago

        Which is also when they regularly try and get you to mistakenly click a button to make Edge your default browser. Scummy dark patterns.

          • sadreality
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            They also fuck with privacy settings too on uodate…

            Switched to Linux after that shit.

            • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️
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              182 years ago

              I don’t know about Windows 11, but my Windows 10 instance also reverts my “fast startup” setting on every major update. I know this, because my PC’s motherboard does not work with “fast” startup and instead takes about half an hour to get from POST to desktop when it’s enabled. Suffice to say that I know when Microsoft changes this setting behind my back. I have it disabled for a reason, fuckheads.

              • @droans@lemmy.world
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                22 years ago

                AMD?

                I’ve got a Gigabyte Auros Elite X570 with the 5600. I have to disable fast boot from BIOS because it causes my computer to boot up much more slowly.

                • @HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org
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                  12 years ago

                  I think Fast Boot is more about screwing up anything third party.

                  If it’s on, it bollixes up the wireless card if you reboot into Linux. But even without dual-booting, it seems to leave USB devices active that I don’t want (specifically a USB->serial adaptor with a peripheral danging off of it)

    • GigglyBobble
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      Great. Now give them a couple more years to learn they shouldn’t be installed by default in the first place.

    • @Treczoks@lemmy.world
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      112 years ago

      I think the list of “apps” (AKA junk) people would actually like to deinstall is quite a bit longer.

      How about uninstalling edge? It is only needed to download Firefox, anyway.

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      It sure took them a while, but they seem to finally allow folks to personalize their experience. I’m not going to complain about it, though – this is definitely a good change.

      • @Kinglink@lemmy.world
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        62 years ago

        Not far enough. It’d be lovely if I could scale Windows down to almost 7 gigs or so (what windows 10 is, probably should be lower) But the thing is Windows in general is just a bloated piece of crap that continues to grow.

    • circuitfarmer
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      72 years ago

      Maybe someday they’ll discover checkboxes and use them to not have to install these apps in the first place.

    • Overzeetop
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      52 years ago

      Wait, so of the five apps they will “let” you uninstall now, one makes little sense to have in the consumer edition (remote desktop - which is effectively enabled in Pro only) and one is getting deprecated (Cortana - bye bye!).

  • Tischkante
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    The more steam deck and proton get games working on linux, the less need I have for this bloated windows.

  • @polle@feddit.de
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    1122 years ago

    I’m all for less bloat ware, but come one. The camera app or remote desktop are the least shitty ones. Its borderline to call them even bloatware.

  • @Leminator@lemmy.world
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    982 years ago

    Let’s cut the crap: it’s not that they “realized” nobody wants it – it’s that they’ve come to accept the blowback against their reputation has gotten too big to outweigh the potential pros of preinstalled bloatware supporting their strategy.

    • @Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.world
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      92 years ago

      Do you think titles like that are a result of a severely myopic mind, unable to even comprehend why a corporation would willingly do something that their users dislike, or just clickbait?

      • @Tangent5280@lemmy.world
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        92 years ago

        I think it’s a soft heading - they could be more honest and blunt, but a history of reporting like that may jeopardize any relationship they might have with Microsoft - with regards to press releases or advertising money and stuff like that.

        I don’t find it plausible that the people at pcmag, who’s reported in this domain for a long time, can’t see past such light corporate fuckery.

        • @martinmine@lemmy.world
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          42 years ago

          The title suggests that Microsoft has come to a conclusion that nobody wants their inbox apps, which is not the case according to the contents of the article. This title would have been true if Microsoft had come with a statement saying that “according to user feedback blabla we have decided to add the uninstall option”. The reason might as well have been technical but this is yet to be disclosed. The term bloatware can also be seen as subjective as we normally define software that we personally don’t have any usage of as bloat, the fact that nobody will uses it is highly unlikely. So I would say that the title of this article is misleading and quite opinionated, most likely because the author is upset about the bloat in the Windows OS he is experiencing.

      • @Intralexical@lemmy.world
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        12 years ago

        Snarky anthropomorphization primarily serving clickbait and liability-limiting, I think, pretty clearly.

        Really, the headline could just be “Microsoft To Allow Removing Preinstalled Apps”, or “Bloatware Apps will be Removable After Windows 11 Update”, or something like that. But the way they worded it lets them both sound more sarcastic to people who are pissed off by the scummy practice, and at the same time also sound plausibly less direct in calling Microsoft out.

    • @ferralcat@monyet.cc
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      62 years ago

      I mean, every OS out there beyond (maybe?) some hardcore Linux distros preinstalls this stuff though. Some (but not all) will let you remove it. None really make it “easy” or give you choices during install.

      I think it’s just easier to treat all apps the same than special casing some and then having to install other hacks to get around the first ones for managed systems. It’s cheaper to treat them all the same.

      • @riodoro1@lemmy.world
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        82 years ago

        Yeah, but when you boot a linux machine the cpu goes down to 0% load after you log in and stays there. Microsofts bloat runs in the background constantly. A windows laptop turns the fan on randomly when the lid was closed for a fucking day.

  • @Ragerist@lemmy.world
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    742 years ago

    Realized?? They knew all the time, and didn’t give a shit.

    It’s more likely that they have pushed too far, and users are pushing back. They will dial it back a bit, and hope people forget.

    • I Cast Fist
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      162 years ago

      They’ll just wait until more people migrate to 11, then push their shit again, because then users won’t have as much energy to give M$ the finger

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    682 years ago

    That, and stop dumbing down the UI. Gradeschoolers in 1999 could operate windows, it doesn’t need to get dumber

    • arefx
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      1162 years ago

      How to tell if someone uses Linux? Don’t worry they will tell you.

      • Dablin
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        302 years ago

        I use Arch BTW. Sorry couldn’t help myself.

      • @HellAwaits@lemm.ee
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        272 years ago

        The Linux and FOSS circlejerk will never end. I’m saying this as someone that uses Linux.

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          42 years ago

          You know what, I don’t want it to end either. Its great entertainment, both the Linux circlejerkers constantly shoehorning Linux everywhere, and the responding circlejerkers making fun of them, as if the former doesn’t wear it like a badge of honor. Its circlejerking all the way down. A downwards-helix-jerking if you will.

          I use Linux btw.

      • @havokdj@lemmy.world
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        152 years ago

        How to tell if someone uses Windows? Don’t worry, they will loudly bitch about how it sucks then proceed to shit on Linux users.

        (This isn’t you it’s just something I’m seeing a lot more often lately)

      • @MossBear@lemmy.world
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        112 years ago

        It should tell people something that so many Linux users are happy enough with it to want to talk about it.

          • @rivalary@lemmy.ca
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            62 years ago

            If meat eaters complained about meat as much as Windows users complained about Windows…

            I don’t understand why A) Linux users can’t be excited to share something they are passionate about and B) Windows users aren’t interested in hearing about an alternative when Windows sucks so bad.

              • @havokdj@lemmy.world
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                12 years ago

                Nothing actually, I was just making a stab at vegans because they get so much flak lol.

                I actually think the choice to go vegan is awesome, really it’s the ones that just shit on others that rubs me the wrong way, a good bit of Linux users do this as well. Personally I would never use windows unless it was absolutely necessary (I am a DJ and Producer in my freetime and I had a “pooprietary” controller that only worked with traktor, but now Mixxx has support for it so we cool now)

                Even then, whenever I did have to use windows for that specific use case, I had it on a dedicated machine running an extremely stripped down version of windows (ameliorated) and it wasn’t a machine that I connected to the internet.

                That being said though, I seriously respect people’s freedoms and even if I have different ideas or opinions than someone else, I’m not going to tell them they’re wrong unless it could harm them or something like that.

                That being said though, and this could just be me, I think going vegan would be more difficult than switching to Linux in today’s day and age. With Linux you just need to find alternatives and integrate them into your workflow (there’s layers to that of course). With veganism, you have to inspect every single product to make sure it doesn’t contain animal products (which also has layers to it).

                Hell with Linux, you can even use WINE to use windows programs, veganism doesn’t have anything like that! You can’t just wrap a cheeseburger in lettuce and call it vegan!

                It’s honestly pretty awesome, genuine vegans are really strong people, and although the radical ones had put a sour taste in my mouth at first, over the years as I learned the hardships of their way of life, they definitely have earned my respect!

        • arefx
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          22 years ago

          I mean it’s relevant to windows like taco bell is to McDonald’s.

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            Plenty of people here don’t use windows so I guess you don’t want diverse discussion on a niche site. Okay makes sense.

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        72 years ago

        Seems pretty appropriate in a thread complaining about an operating system.

    • @MooseBoys@lemmy.world
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      I’m not forced to keep anything on Linux

      KNotes has entered the chat…

      Edit: apparently it’s not KNotes proper - just the built-in KDE sticky notes applet that is bundled with the environment and is impossible to remove if you want to use KDE Plasma.

      • prole
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        22 years ago

        I have KDE and I don’t even have KNotes on my laptop. What do you mean?

        • @MooseBoys@lemmy.world
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          Updated my comment. Apparently it’s not KNotes proper but a simpler version of the sticky note applet bundled with Plasma. I tried finding ways to remove it, but the consensus seems to be that you can only suppress its activation, not remove it completely.

    • @anlumo@feddit.de
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      22 years ago

      Yeah, I was painfully reminded of that when Ubuntu helpfully uninstalled xwayland for me on an ‘apt upgrade’…

      • prole
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        72 years ago

        I just googled “Linux distro without systemd” and google gave me a list of 11 right off the bat without even having to click any links. So yeah, not even systemd.

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    482 years ago

    Using Windows primarily for gaming, I eventually got tired of some of the issues I had with it (ads appearing in the start menu). I gave Linux a try and it was so so for a while. I kept going back and forth but it’s been 2 years now and I haven’t had Windows installed and can play 90% of my games without issue. I wouldn’t recommend it for everyone. But for those that primarily use their computer for gaming and non-windows specific applications (like web browsing or other various things), Linux is offering some competition for desktop people.

  • @stebo02@sopuli.xyz
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    432 years ago

    a beta build of Windows 11 in the Canary Channel includes the option for the first time to uninstall the Camera app, Cortana app, Photos app, People app, and the Remote Desktop client.

    Still no Microsoft edge though…

    • @simdlauper@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      202 years ago

      No longer providing a browser with a consumer operating system is a bad idea. How would you install another browser?

      They just need to stop plugging and advertising it so relentlessly.

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          152 years ago

          It has built in package manager now (winget install Mozilla.Firefox would install Firefox on clean Win11 installation).

              • @Intralexical@lemmy.world
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                22 years ago

                Fun fact: Every Windows command line command actually just spams xdotool through the X11 server on WSL in order to do the equivalent action through the Windows GUI.

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            This is interesting news to me. I’ll have to poke around to see if Windows 10 got one too.

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            IK I was just poking fun at windows, but the average user (a grandma or other non-tech literate person) won’t know it even exists, plus it doesn’t resolve the issue that, aside from a few maybe legal scripts, you can’t uninstall edge. Still a step in the good direction though.

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        Sure it’s okay they come with a browser, but you should be able to uninstall edge after you’ve downloaded another browser

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        32 years ago

        That’s the Windows 95 lawsuit all over again. They forced internet explorer on people, got sued for creating & exploiting a monopoly, lost, and had to offer people the chance to remove it.

        They claimed it’s integral part of the OS, and so were forced to un-integrate it.

        I’m sure they will find a way to give users a choice to get rid of Edge, if they really wanted to were forced yet again.

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    382 years ago

    I don’t give a shit, I’ll use other programs to uninstall whatever I want.

    Call me when I can use a vertical task bar. Until then, I’m sticking with win10.

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    382 years ago

    Is there a way to disable the ads, news and recommendations yet? Until then I’m not upgrading.

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        52 years ago

        Can you point me in the direction of how disable truly all of it? I don’t want news/ads/recommendations in the start button, bottom bar, icon tray, search results etc.

        • @Honytawk@lemmy.zip
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          32 years ago

          Disabling all of those are standard settings in Windows 10 and 11.

          Most are just right click on the icon/taskbar, opening settings and finding the setting that disables it.

          • I Cast Fist
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            Not entirely. There are many, many hidden telemetry settings that normal users can’t access. It’s why stuff like WPD (windows privacy dashboard) exist. Windows doesn’t let you uninstall most of that stuff either.