• SpongeBorgCubePants
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    1017 days ago

    People voted on national issues instead of voting on European issues.

    So tired of everybody using this election for petty protest votes.

  • hannes3120
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    717 days ago

    Brain drain finally showing itself

    Most of the creative and ambitious people left the GDR when the wall came down.

    I heard a theory recently from someone that was part of the peaceful revolution in Leipzig and now thinks that many people actually didn’t mind the government telling them what to do and then not really having a choice in the matter and being under constant surveillance as long as they had a decent life. And that the protests in hindsight probably were more about them seeing how much better the life in the west was than about the personal and political freedom since the GDR apparently did a pretty good job to get rid of those concepts (at least for many citizens).

    Now those same people are again voting only for their personal gains and not for freedom for everyone to live however they want as that was never in their interest to begin with

    • @Strider@lemmy.world
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      467 days ago

      Not only brain drain. Also real, decades old highly refined Russian propaganda and rampant running capitalism.

      • @az04@lemmy.world
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        46 days ago

        I don’t know how you can look at a map clearly showing the aftereffects of decades of communism and blame it on capitalism. Why would east Germany vote fascist due to rampant capitalism but the rest of Germany not do that? I just don’t understand.

        • @Strider@lemmy.world
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          Capitalism is clearly one of the central puzzle pieces of humanity’s downfall.

          If I need to spell it out, growth. Growth is a requirement. And with it everything else has to scale, too.

          And there’s always another ‘solution’ to be sold. Well, let’s get on it then, trying to develop a product to sell solving this crisis.

          The movie ‘don’t look up’ explains this very well, too.

          Then, regarding the far right. Companies thrive on hate. It sells very very well.

        • @Azzu@lemm.ee
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          Maybe what will make you understand, is that 1. the black part is also bad, just a different flavor of it, 2. those two things can be separate issues that are both problematic, not one being right, one being wrong and 3. the DDR was never really communism, like most “communist” countries (like current “communist” China is almost entirely capitalistic)

  • @Tudsamfa@lemmy.world
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    317 days ago

    The left-leaning parties disappointed me with their posters this election. There was 1 that said “Set a mark against fascists” and showed an anti-afd protest, and another with a similar message.

    I know they are the nazi party, I want to know what YOU stand for. I’ll have to guess political scientist found out nobody really changes their mind from a poster, so the only thing they do is remind people of their party that they need to go out and vote.

    If that’s the case, the poster may be better than I give it credit for. Still, doesn’t seem to have worked.

  • @SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml
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    237 days ago

    It’s fascinating that the DDR has elected nazis, because over here in Czechia, which was essentially a non-German DDR, the election was won in half by our CDU and in half by our careerist populist party (but not a nazi). It seems to be a specifically East German thing…

    • @Katzastrophe@feddit.de
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      206 days ago

      Has to do with how people in the east are basically being dragged behind by the west. They are getting paid less, but have to pay the same amount as westerners for electricity, gas, water, internet, and everything else except for rent and sometimes food.

      A lot of the folks I talk to remember how the “west” turned the previously state owned railway company into a private company which caused almost ~75% of the at that point running rail network to be shut down for profit reasons.

      People are upset, nothing is being done, they are being fed propaganda, and the results can be seen as clear as day

      • @whereisk@lemmy.world
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        86 days ago

        How will the far right help with any of that? They’re not known for running public utilities.

        One would think that if that’s your problem you’d vote further left - renationalise public utilities etc.

  • @cygnus@lemmy.ca
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    247 days ago

    Wow, another map where the old GDR borders are easily visible. This time they are voting for Nazis. Horseshoe theory proved correct yet again?

    • @gigachad@sh.itjust.works
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      387 days ago

      The horseshoe theory is still bullshit, as is assuming GDR was a “far left” opposite to far right AfD nowadays.

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            How do the workers own the means of production if the state controls everything? Especially a state that only allows certain kind of person into the controlling party. An upper class, you might say.

            Even if they own it, and the state demands a 90% tax on production, what do they really own?

            • @yetAnotherUser@feddit.de
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              87 days ago

              You see, the state simply claims to be the workers - or rather their chosen representative.

              Therefore, since the state owns everything, the workers must own everything. The GDR was so far left, they even ensured workers wouldn’t accidentally self-harm their means of production through strikes, how kind of them.

            • Arcity 🇵🇸🇺🇦
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              27 days ago

              Under a capitalist society, workers gain influence by joining a strike, union, or worker co-op. A state is a corporation that owns the means of violence. Under a capitalistic society this is used to protect the capital class. Under a more socialistic society a state becomes less important.

    • @Barbarian@sh.itjust.works
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      287 days ago

      Imo, it moreso proves that poverty causes desperation, desperation causes people to be way more susceptible to political extremism.

      I don’t think this has anything to do with the GDR except for the fact that it left east Germany in poverty.

      • @rotkehle@discuss.tchncs.de
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        107 days ago

        if you’re driving through East German cities you know why they’re voting populist right wing parties. there’s no work, poverty and half of the houses are empty because a lot of the people already left.

        • @geissi@feddit.de
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          25 days ago

          That’s half the explanation.
          The economic and social decline makes people susceptible to populists.

          But the other half is this:
          They’re not the only populists.
          To vote for outright, obvious Neo-Nazis you also have to ok with Neo-Nazis.

        • @RidderSport@feddit.de
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          16 days ago

          Yeah, but that doesn’t explain it all. Görlitz for example is the county with the highest number of votes for the AfD. But the county is doing really well, there’s a big Siemens plant there.

    • DarkThoughts
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      This time they are voting for Nazis.

      Again. They were also one of the first ones where the NSDAP got their chunk of votes.

    • @tal@lemmy.today
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      27 days ago

      Wow, another map where the old GDR borders are easily visible.

      https://lemmy.today/post/11881508

      Germany: Largest party in 2024 EU elections vs 1947 west/east Germany division

      I think that the real issue here is that Walter Model did an effective job of halting Operation Market Garden.

      That was pre-Yalta, and my guess is that if it had succeeded, the occupation lines probably would have been further east.

    • trollercoaster
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      36 days ago

      Tearing down that wall was a mistake. Should have made it at least 5m taller instead.

  • @neonred@lemmy.world
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    As a fellow gamer said: “Y’all may kick and scream, you’re still the minority. Cope, loser.”

    Seriously, what are you doing here, blaming? Deal with what a large portion of people voted for. Look forward, find solutions, act.