Similar vibes than Reddit api pricing

  • Jo Miran
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    Fuck Elon. Fuck Tesla.

    I was their target demographic and Elon made sure that I never even consider their trash. I went BMW instead.

    • @takeda@lemmy.world
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      1491 month ago

      This is why Elonia is asking trump to impose tariffs on Canada and Mexico. Other car manufacturers started biting into Tesla market share this year.

    • @VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      301 month ago

      BMW lobbies against non-car based infrastructure and car industry regulation here in Germany. Biggest shareholder is the Quandt family, who are descendant from literal Nazis, and now use part of their billions to fund the conservatives (at least they aren’t giving it to the far-right. Yet.)

      So yeah, fuck Elon, but fuck BMW too.

      • @JokklMaster@lemmy.world
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        171 month ago

        Yeah fine me a car company that’s not like that. Living in the US it’s a necessity to have a car so just gonna nix that argument. I bought a Toyota to get ultimate reliability (yes Honda is basically equal) but I’m sure they both have done equally terrible shit. And when I’m not in grad school I want to go back to a BMW because they are great cars to drive. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism so just try to enjoy your life where you can.

        • @VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          181 month ago

          On the one hand, sure. On the other hand, if you’re saying you bought from brand A, not B, specifically because the big boss of B is a shithead, I feel like it’s valid to point out the ways the big boss of A is shit too.

          Since everyone is shit, I dunno, buy used, I guess.

          • Jo Miran
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            71 month ago

            It’s good information and something I will take into account for next time.

          • @emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de
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            31 month ago

            “Theres no ethical consumption under capitalism, so what do you expect me to drive a used car like a PEASANT? If i cant consume 100% ethically ill just consume however i want, and i want a fancy german treat car so just shut up okay”

      • Jo Miran
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        There is no such thing as a benevolent corporation. Don’t feed the fascists. Don’t give your money to Elon.

        EDIT: Autocorrect derp

        • @themoken@startrek.website
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          I mean, fuck Elon and Tesla but if you’re spending money on a car you’re giving it to a bastard one way or another. The CEOs of Ford, BMW, et. al. might not be making asses of themselves on the global stage, but I’m sure they’re still horrible. Even used cars run on gas 99% of the time.

          • @n2burns@lemmy.ca
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            451 month ago

            There are levels of bad. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good (or in this case, only slightly better).

      • kamenLady.
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        A friend bought a new BMW. Everything is controlled with an app. There’s also an interface in the car itself, obviously, but the app has more functions.

        Things like seat heating, air conditioner, enhanced cruise control and all the fancy things are only available if you subscribe to one of the three offerings.

        I just glanced over the app, so i don’t remember the names, but it went like the usual: basic, premium, platinum.

        Prices were in the range of 200, 400, 700 euros a fucking month.

        • @kautau@lemmy.world
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          211 month ago

          Yeah choosing BMW is a strange choice against something like Tesla when they are doing the same sort of thing. I won’t criticize the “I’m rich so I bought an expensive car” thing, that can happen elsewhere, but the idea that BMW is the lesser of the evils isn’t really accurate.

          I wish we were in a world where we could more easily avenge our terrible upbringing in this system moment after moment like Geralt, where if we’re to choose between the lesser of two evils, we’d rather not choose at all.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0i88t0Kacs

          • @iamanurd@midwest.social
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            101 month ago

            I think they are very mistaken about the options requiring a subscription and their price. Most of the options you could get a subscription for also are available as a one time purchase… the same way they were in the past. Heating and air conditioning aren’t among those options, they come standard in every car.

            BMW did drop the subscription for heated seats after backlash. That one was stupid. The other options I’m a little torn on. There are costs associated with developing the software used for most of the options like driving assistance. I have no problem paying for that development, and the subscription lets me try it for a month to see if it’s worth it. As long as there is the ability to outright buy the option instead of locking into a perpetual subscription I’m chill with it. I also hope that once unlocked, the option is still available when resold. This part I’m not so sure about, but mine seemed to maintain the options purchased by the original owner.

            It’s not a super recent article, but a list of options and pricing is available at the bottom of this page: https://www.kbb.com/car-news/bmw-quietly-launches-in-car-subscriptions-in-u-s/

            • kamenLady.
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              21 month ago

              I only had the chance to peek and after reading your comment, it sounds very plausible that general heating is a basic function. I’m sure i saw the seat-heating, in the lowest price subscription though. It must have been before they dropped the subscription for it. The paid air conditioning included air purifing with hepa and carbon filters and some iirc Plasmacluster Ion technology.

              I should have been a little more specific …

              Even by not subscribing to the paid subscriptions he said he had to subscribe to the basic subscription, which enables the app.

              It looked like they will also drop a random paid feature into the basic for a limited time, every few weeks another feature, so people get to test it. That’s what the ad in the app suggested.

              I didn’t think about the one time purchase to be honest. I assume it to be featured in a submenu, to make it less prominent than the subscription, in order to get a bigger number of subscribers.

      • @tibi@lemmy.world
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        61 month ago

        That is correct, but at least BMW knows how to make decent cars that won’t trap you in in an emergency.

    • peopleproblems
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      231 month ago

      That BMW iDrive looks good but if it’s all app and touchscreen based… Imma skip.

      TBH though, all the damn nice EVs are touch screens or bubble crossovers.

      Why the fuck do I want to drive a bubble. I want to drive an electric car. Take the Ford Mustang, put the electric parts in it, and don’t turn it into a crossover. Take the Toyota 86, put electric parts in it. Do not turn it into a cross over.

      Idk take any fucking car that looks like a fun car and goddamn it, put electric parts in it, don’t add touchscreens, and don’t stick your lips on the wand of soap and blow into the frame making it a goddamn bubble crossover.

      • Jo Miran
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        51 month ago

        I needed a single payment lease and BMW does those with zero hassle.

    • @ColdWater@lemmy.ca
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      51 month ago

      BMW does have shady monetization tactics with their newer car, but Subaru shred almost every other car brands to dust

      • @Kbobabob@lemmy.world
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        21 month ago

        Are Subaru cars still loud AF? I had a 2002 Impreza, and a 2012 and both had lots of road noise with everything in the car popping or cracking with every bump.

        • @JustARegularNerd@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          21 month ago

          Okay that’s not just me, thank god. I thought something was just wrong with the sound deadening on my Forester, especially because my 30 year old Mazda 323 is at least 50% quieter. Nope, its what makes a Subaru, a Subaru.

        • @spidermanchild@sh.itjust.works
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          21 month ago

          Of course, and that’s part of the charm. They bag out like a pair of leather slippers. I read something recently about them using a shit ton more adhesive in the new Forester so maybe it’s improving? My 2015 isn’t that bad, but I hate driving in general so basic appliance standards is fine by me.

    • @Mossheart@lemmy.ca
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      21 month ago

      How is it driving without turn signals? Granted, given they put them as buttons on the friggin steering wheel in the new Teslas, maybe not much different?

      • Jo Miran
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        11 month ago

        I am sad to say that the old joke is becoming obsolete. These new cars are smart. If you try to change lanes without a turn signal, the car beeps loudly to tell you that you have drifted. Our company also has a Sprinter van that will actually pull you back into your lane. Sad times.

        • @Mossheart@lemmy.ca
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          11 month ago

          Turn signals aren’t for you, they’re for other drivers. I can’t hear the other car yelling at their driver, I just see them decide to cut into my lane with no warning or signal.

    • @Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world
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      11 month ago

      I thought BMW wanted a subscription for heated seats. You know, the seats already in your car but software locked with a paywall.

  • @_number8_@lemmy.world
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    API pricing is such a shitty obnoxious dogshit practice that is now of course becoming standard because of course it is. internet barely costs money come the fuck on make a quality product

    It used to be a respected standard for developers and hosts to be somewhat open and friendly to 3rd party devs, because ultimately they’re customers and they’re helping recruit and retain customers, they should be treated with respect. just because it’s innovative and disruptive to invent the machine gun doesn’t mean it’s good

    • @smitty825@lemmy.world
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      991 month ago

      The internet (ie bandwidth) is cheap, but running servers, providing documentation and tech support all costs a decent amount of money.

      However, treating an API as a profit center is a joke. These are literally companies developing software that makes the experience of owning a Tesla better. Making things unaffordable for those companies is putting short term profits over long term success of your product

      • @Gingernate@programming.dev
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        341 month ago

        But 90k is nothing to Tesla, it’s just a paywall to keep the third party devs put while being able to claim to be open

        • sunzu2
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          while being able to claim to be open

          Marketing is happy while dafdy gets to squeeze

          Anyway, look at their actions, not their propaganda

    • JackbyDev
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      121 month ago

      I have the slightest bit of sympathy. So many companies got their shit scraped and fed into AI models. They lost out. They’re afraid it will happen again.

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          21 month ago

          I mean, I get your point, that’s why I said “slightest”. I’m basically just saying I understand their perspective.

  • @Rookeh@startrek.website
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    Something to note: Tesla has two vehicle APIs, the Fleet API for commercial accounts and the Owner API for individuals. This change currently only impacts the Fleet API.

    If you are an individual owner who accesses your vehicle data from the Owner API (usually via a self hosted tool like TeslaMate), this does not affect you. Yet.

    • @ayyy@sh.itjust.works
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      131 month ago

      Hey kid, don’t waste your breath defending corporations. You will end up being wrong in the end, and before that you just look like a fool.

        • @jaek@lemmy.world
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          81 month ago

          Isn’t it tacitly defending this pricing model?

          I’ve worked in commercial environments where we’ve had the rug pulled on us in exactly this manner.

          Sure today Tesla isn’t charging you, but the moment it is expedient for them, they will.

          A lot of users here will have had the same experience with Reddit – it’s not unprecedented.

          • @Rookeh@startrek.website
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            Not at all.

            Lemmy is overwhelmingly militantly anti-Tesla, which is understandable considering who owns it, but it does mean that users tend to interpret any neutral or factual statements (basically anything that is not outright criticism) as having a pro-Tesla bias.

            In this case, all I am stating is the fact that this specific change currently only affects corporate users. That could of course change in the future.

            There is a rich history of cloud based data providers pulling the rug from under users with no warning. Look at what happened to Nest users when Google took over.

    • @modus@lemmy.world
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      101 month ago

      I’m not a developer, so excuse me if this is a dumb question. Is the API supplying data that is provided by the OBDII interface? Or is it more than that?

      • @Rookeh@startrek.website
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        201 month ago

        There is most likely an overlap on what you can get from the OBD port, but generally speaking the API will provide more high level info e.g driving status, mileage, live location - and the OBD port will provide more low level data e.g. detailed battery stats from the BMS, energy usage, etc.

  • katy ✨
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    1181 month ago

    stop buying tesla, stop supporting spacex, and stop buying starlink

      • @lud@lemm.ee
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        131 month ago

        But what launch provider should I use then?

        Boeing? No, I don’t think so.

        • katy ✨
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          don’t use any. space programs are wholly unnecessary

          • @lud@lemm.ee
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            151 month ago

            You don’t like GNSS?

            Also space programs have been the source of a lot of world changing inventions.

            • katy ✨
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              31 month ago

              because spending money on space exploration when people are homeless and hungry is wrong

                • @VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  Are you? stfu or go invent a microwave that prevents neoliberal mayors and govenors (at least in the US’s system) from sicking cops on their own constituents while giving the real estate contracts to their buddies who are only interested in building McMansions. 🤡

                  Edit: As a rule I dont get dragged into pointless debates.

                  Im as enthusiastic for space as they come.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pjdJa122I4

                  Simply put, until we address the root causes of systemic injustice which are low hanging fruit, and by that I mean do away with the parasitic billionaires who prevent that, any venture into space shall be doomed to come crashing back down for the self-canniblizing fascism which imperialism is.

                  It’d be funny, if it werent so sad, to see clearly the indignance and hipocrisy from those who believe themselves so enlightended, double down on the “importance of space” exploitation, capital extraction and colonization…without ever considering the rest of the picture.

                  I used to be bothered by the lyric

                  spendin all their OUR money building rockets they can shoot into the stars

                  Neoliberals had their chance with this fucking dynamic, and blew it.

                  I have no interest in a future in space that is owned by assholes and authoritarians. That doesnt mean i give up on Star Trek. It means I recognize this society is barreling ignorantly toward the bell riots.

          • @WaxiestSteam69@lemmy.world
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            I agree that manned space programs are unnecessary and unmanned should be very limited. Starlink shouldn’t have been allowed. Unfortunately the US government let telecoms off the hook when it came to serving rural areas.

        • @OmegaLemmy@discuss.online
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          And be locked down to awful local companies? Starlink was cheaper, faster and more reliable than the Canadian alternatives

          I know it’s not always the case, but even then, it’s a global choice versus a local one when it comes to travelling beyond just boats and giving a guaranteed service

          Edit: Woah. Wireless Internet has a lot of issues in Canada, limited speeds, slowdowns, hidden fees… You get rid of that by paying double and getting also double the speed and without anything else hidden

          Albeit you’re stuck to starlink services, but that’s just a downside of satellite internet

      • @piecat@lemmy.world
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        111 month ago

        If you’re on a boat… fair enough.

        Otherwise, look into WISPs… Wireless Internet Service Providers. Great for rural areas, the infrastructure is point-to-point radios, so it’s super easy to go large distances without the cost of fiber or copper cables.

        Best part is, if you have any neighbors that are interested, they’ll often give you a discount if you let them put a sector antenna on your barn/silo. Or they can also erect a short tower if you let them too.

        If there aren’t any in your immediate area, reach out to ones nearby. They’re always looking to expand.

    • GHiLA
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      …Ok, now what? Is evil defeated yet?

      edit: He’s a fucking cabinet member. Think of something real unless you all want to go hit him with pillows in disgust.

  • @kalleboo@lemmy.world
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    941 month ago

    Another reminder to developers to not bother with public APIs, just screen-scrape or reverse-engineer the official app private API.

      • @fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world
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        This. It’s a recipe for disaster. I think enough (tech-related) companies have shown now, that they first want to lock you in, and then if they got you, want to bleed you out…

    • @auzy@lemmy.world
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      Then you’re at risk of getting sued for cracking the encryption or the API breaking constantly

      The real reminder is don’t integrate with devices which you can’t trust

      • @auzy@lemmy.world
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        Yeah guys. Downvote me. This is literally part of my day job.

        In our industry we call not using an official API a dumpster fire API. Because more than once it has completely broken eventually, and there are a few manufacturers warned will break in the upcoming future

        • @CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world
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          31 month ago

          Is it illegal to scrape? I mean most companies and governments scrape huge amounts of data all the time without getting anyones permission, hell the entire business of a search engine is basically WeScrape4U.

          • @lemonskate@lemmy.world
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            61 month ago

            If you extract a key from a proprietary client to decrypt a private API, it definitely is illegal. If you do this as a corporation, it would also be easy to detect by abnormal usage patterns tied to your account and presents you as a nice big set of pockets to get sued.

            Just screen scraping isn’t illegal, but is fragile as fuck and will break at the worst time and you have no ability to implement version control to manage it.

  • Phoenixz
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    So musk pulled a Reddit spez?

    Not surprising as musk is a scammer who got incredibly lucky, always has been.

    Fuck spez and fuck musk

  • LiveLM
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    I’m surprised devs didn’t see the writing on the wall after Twitter all but murdered its API

  • Jesus
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    351 month ago

    One more reason I’m glad I bought a car with CarPlay / Android Auto support.

      • Jesus
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        31 month ago

        I’m confused. Non google maps can run on Android auto and can even run on the Home Screen view. Same for CarPlay and alternatives to Apple Maps.

        • june (she/her)
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          11 month ago

          I’m not sure what exactly the previous commenter said but map apps in particular only show up if installed through the Play Store. I found that out after trying to get Organic Maps working through F-Droid and Aurora Store. If you’re rooted you can change the app’s ‘installed from’ field to the Play Store and it will show up.

          • Jesus
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            11 month ago

            My guess is that Google, like Apple, it’s pretty nervous about letting developers go crazy with UIs that are used while driving.

            I know that, for CarPlay, the approval process is more ridged than with a mobile or desktop app.

            My guess is that Google and Apple don’t want to be found liable for dangerous / distracting technology.

            • june (she/her)
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              Its only “Navigation” apps though, media and messaging apps work just fine in Android Auto from another source or sideloaded.

  • @umbraroze@lemmy.world
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    341 month ago

    When Twitter (and Reddit) pulled this off, I was just mildly pissed. Can’t do interesting things with my data, oh no.

    …Image that, except it’s an expensive luxury car you’re no longer allowed to do interesting things with.

  • Rentlar
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    271 month ago

    Hehehe, we all know how that’s like. I’m sure this income will truly be used to improve their services and support robust and reliable API infrastructure.

    • GHiLA
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      Tesla is an American company, in Texas, at that.

      It wouldn’t matter if there were.