Auction: https://www.sav.com/auctions/details/7073489/hexbear.net
Not sure what will happen, but seems to be a Fediverselore event for sure
Update: post from hexbear admin on chapo.chat: https://chapo.chat/post/4468531
This almost certainly won’t kill the Hexbear community, and frankly I don’t think there’s any way they will choose to pony up the auction money. This community has moved from reddit to discord to the fediverse and they’ll probably just be on their backup/original domain chapo.chat for a month or two before switching over to whatever the admins decide to switch to, and then it will be business as usual under a new name.
Still there’s a lesson here about setting up a durable online community - don’t let someone control the domain registration with their personal account, you’re just asking for something like this to happen. If they don’t have one already the admins should set up some kind of organization that can “own” the new domain, donations, etc so that this can’t happen again.
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You don’t really need to “trust” the admins if you think of your account like a throwaway.
Making some assumptions about who is who (because they’ve intentionally made it difficult to keep track for doxxing reasons), this should be the last connection they have to a previous admin team that’s been at the core of a lot of the unforced errors over the years. I think it may actually be smooth sailing after this. Either way, I have too many alts across different instances to be too worried about a single one falling. I would indeed miss Hexbear though.
what’s up with manjaro?
Don’t have a horse in the race myself (since I use arch, btw) but e.g. here is a compiled list of some past issues.
830 days since manjaro last fucked up. I’ve been using manjaro for a while. other than some hiccups i’d expect of a rolling release distro i’ve been fairly happy with it
The current vibe definitely is “Dont pay money to cyberlandlords, give it to people in the mutual_aid comm”. Let it go and get a new domain
They dont own that one either somehow lol
The rest of the Fediverse should put together a GoFundMe to buy the domain, and stick up a page with links to donate drones to Ukrainian soldiers, and care packages to families of Uyghur muslims detained in concentration camps in China.
Honestly I’d donate. Would love to see them seethe.
I’d rather people just fund their instances or the developers
I wonder if the high bids will actually go through or if it’s just trolling. Definitely weird to give such big amounts of money away for a joke outside the space where it’s needed.
Couldn’t somebody buy it and change it to force all the assholes out and then change things to make it a proper instance?
Idk how federation works, but I imagine the domain name isn’t the only thing that ties the instanses together together?
I could be wrong
nah they could, theyd just change it to their ip address, like the domain vendor deleted their ip address from the records when they didn’t pay
That’s not how the Fediverse works. Instances are per domain, not per IP address. You can change IPs however often you want, as long as your domain points to the right server.
It would still be a different instance behind that same domain name
That doesn’t matter to fediverse software. Any new instance on hexbear.net would have errors when trying to federate with other instances, and it probably wouldn’t be able to do so at all. But even if it did manage it, what are you expecting to do to mitigate the errors that arise from other instances referencing users/threads/posts/comments/communities/modlogs that existed on the old instance, but do not exist on the new one?
referencing users/threads/posts/comments/communities/modlogs that existed on the old instance, but do not exist on the new one
Yeah, that’s what I was talking about. It would be a different instance that doesn’t have the same database as the original one.
care packages to families of Uyghur muslims detained in concentration camps in China.
So right to the pockets of Adrian Zenz?
They’ve moved to chapo.chat.
They didn’t really move. That hostname has been a synonym for hexbear.net all along. It may have been the instance’s original hostname.
How does anyone know that this is a fair auction. As much as the users may be hated or disliked, I still don’t believe in companies or corporations taking advantage of people like this to make a cheap buck.
Who’s to say that every bid in the auction is being artificially raised by a company rep and no matter what amount anyone comes up with, the owner will just keep raising it until they find a really high value.
Shitty situation all around and as much as they are not liked, I wouldn’t want anything like this happening to any honest instance out there.
I dont think anyone on hexbear is actually bidding on the auction. For one most users are poor and the consensus seems to be that any money that would go to cyberlandlords would be better served in the mutual_aid comm. Like if someone wants to spend money on hexbear, they should spend it on those that need it the most.
Thats always risky and I highly doubt it, they could just not buy it and then they’re stuck holding the domain and can’t sell it for a cheaper price immediately after
Thanks! Unlike a lot of Lemmy users, I have a soft spot for hexbears. I think they had a genuinely traumatic experience when they federated and their very personal instance was inundated with people who didn’t think and talk as they did. I’m glad they’re ok.
they had a genuinely traumatic experience
Jesus Christ, this is so ridiculous. They federated on their own accord, and from what I’ve seen very little non-hexbear users ever came to post on hexbear communitites. Seeing some new users in your online community who disagree with you isn’t fucking traumatic, in fact these people adore arguing and “dunking” on “libs”.
Dunking on other instances was literally the entire reason they federated in the first place. Their users were salivating at what they would do to lemmy.ca before we defed’d.
They love to paint themselves as victims.
Seeing some new users in your online community who disagree with you
It takes so very little for liberals to take their masks off and start talking word-for-word exactly the same as incel nazis.
If you see anything that’s factually incorrect in my comment, please go ahead and point it out.
How about instead of puffing your chest out like an online incel douchebag asking me to cross a brand new line in the sand, you respond to what was already pointed out.
i.e. you being an incel nazi cosplayer and pulling the ‘just simply for disagreeing and nothing else’ bullshit you and every other incel nazi uses every time your behavior is called out
what was already pointed out.
Almost nothing has been pointed out. You said my comment resembles those of “incel nazis”. No actual explanation or concrete criticism, just aggressive vocabulary and vague accusations. Of course, you can’t provide anything more than that - had i actually given even a hint of support for nazi ideology, you’d easily point it out, rather than just calling out… my wording?
bullshit you and every other incel nazi uses every time your behavior is called out
What is this “my/our behaviour” that you’re talking about exactly?
I didn’t explicitly give verbal support to specific nazi parties (motte) I just said these snowflakes go running whenever some vague and nonspecific disagreement happens! (bailey)
You can’t criticize me for using the exact same rhetorical tools literal nazis use and in the exact same context! It’s just a coincidence! You have to follow my rules and satisfy my framing!
Their users wanted to defederate right away when they saw the rest of Lemmy. The people in charge (able to pull the switch) kept telling them to hold on and it’d get better. A small number of people made the decision for all of them. It’s all the rest for whom I genuinely feel bad. Their community was highjacked and, I think to them, attacked. I can have empathy for the average users.
Having seen how Hexbear interacted with other instances, I have zero empathy for them. They were an incredibly nasty group of people towards anyone who thought differently to them.
Ah, I saw a lot of people traumatized by their posting, but it is the first time I hear about the opposite.
Hexbear is the only place online I’ve found that I feel most comfortable speaking my mind as a neurodivergent queer communist. People act like hexbear is some harsh authoritarian zone, it just simply doesn’t condone chauvinism, transphobia, or let people post western propaganda without it being questioned. Some people react poorly to the way they are responded to on hexbear when they post some bullshit that we’ve heard and debunked 1000 times already.
They also made a habit of “raiding” other instances, and outright flooding any conversation they didn’t agree with with the most vile takes they could come up with, or, failing that, the pig shit Gif.
But yeah, they’re secretly caring people, sure.
They also made a habit of “raiding” other instances,
Lol, I love seeing the mythology of hexbear evolve in real time. I particularly like how you put “raiding” in inverted commas to make it seem like you’re quoting something, rather than just making it up whole cloth.
I mean, I saw it happen. You argue with one, and twenty others show up and just flood the thread.
But sure, keep lying to yourself about how your friends are secretly caring people or whatever.
Yes, that’s how federation works lol.
Their community reminds me of that one Something Awful subforum with the same style. I guess hexbear is just a younger demographic
Homie, they inundated everywhere else with their bile, very few people actually came to their instance.
They were the traumatic experience.
Thanks, added to the OP
Updated my blocklist, thank you
Hexbear isn’t worth dogshit but if someone wants to waste their money, then i wont stop them
If I had the money I’d buy it and replace every post with goatse.
EDIT: wtf the insane asylum is loose. Halp
yes let’s sexually harass all those people depending on our mutual aid comm. you’re so righteous.
Maybe not goatse, but if i were rich i’d just redirect it to world lmfao
Average Western “”““leftists””“”
I don’t know if you’re talking about me, but if so i am not western, and hating on MLism isn’t anti-left lmao.
Yes of course, real leftism is when you exclusively punch left and encourage spending money to highjack leftists spaces to redirect them to right wing neo liberal ones.
Lol. I don’t exclusively punch left so i don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, and i said it would be funny, while saying “it’s a waste of money”.
and encourage spending money to highjack leftists spaces to redirect them to right wing neo liberal ones.
Get a clue lmao. State capitalism isn’t leftist. Even fucking social democrats are more leftist, and that’s saying something.
Lol. I don’t exclusively punch left
Your comment history disagrees.
State capitalism isn’t leftist
Oh but imperialist neoliberalism is? I guess “real leftism” is just Western chauvinism.
Even fucking social democrats are more leftist
Why? Oh right, because they’re Western
Hating on a major branch of leftist thought isn’t technically anti-all left, but it’s still left punching. Trying to say Marxism-Leninism isn’t left is just purity testing nonsense.
I dunno, if you consider yourself a leftist I think you’d be doing a much better service attacking right-wingers, especially now that there’s a huge rise of literal Nazis in Western countries, than attacking branches of leftism you personally disagree with. It’s entirely understandable why people would question your motives if you decide to dedicate a good portion of your personal time to anti-communism.
Politics doesn’t exist on a one-dimensional scale you know. These extremely authoritarian branches of leftism are to me just as detestable as right-wing authoritarianists (though clearly one is more of a present threat). But I dislike being associated with those people because they believe they somehow must be similar in ideology to me.
hating on MLism isn’t anti-left lmao
lmao
Woof. We’ve got a live one.
You’d be buying the domain name, not the lemmy instance. So if you wanted to replace every post with whatever, you’d first have to set up your own server and create a new lemmy instance for your newly purchased domain name. You’d have to take extra sets then to mangle your lemmy instance such that it didn’t show the real posts but instead showed what you wanted…
In the end that technical work would be more expensive than the domain name… and probably not worth the effort for a short-lived and mean-spirited joke.
I am not writing this to shit on them, but I have to appreciate the irony in the situation. Something about a communist community getting messed up by lapses in individual responsibility, or an authoritarian leaning community getting messed up by fuckups in leadership.
Bidding ends in 9 days.
Edit: Current bid is up to
$305$505$676$710$1920$2345$2365
Now I wanna raise a bunch of money to buy it and use it as a good way to document shitty behavior on the internet.
What a fascinating idea! Though I’d say there were many decent people there, I think.
That’s going to be crazy
As @Sunshine@lemmy.ca mentioned it’s now at $505.
What’s up with j_s_0e6b87? (Let’s call them JS). If they really want the address that’s the wrong way to go - bidding too high, too early, too often, and in a bidding war against everyone else. A better approach is to wait until the last hours and then try to snip it.
Unless their goal is to raise the prices this way?
EDIT: currently $676. JS is in a bid war with TB (t_b_2a08d7), a newcomer. 🍿
Wouldn’t it be better to agree whatever bit yall want to do with the domain name and spend the money on something more productive? Here’s a father trying to buy his kid a new leg after Israel blew it off.
I speak for all of hexbear when I say the domain isn’t worth that much, and losing it to capitalism is a funny bit, redirect it to /r/neoliberal or the wikipedia article on economics or the Black Book of Communism or something. Maybe declare Juan Guaidó the interim president of hexbear and redirect to his twitter.
Losing it to some anticommunist “left” weirdo to flex how much money they are willing to waste on an internet grudge instead of helping literally anyone is less funny.
I’m j_s_0e6b87 aka JS. Linking r/neoliberal? Pfffft, not even close! I want to Make Hexbear Great Again. It’ll talk about the wonders of NATO, and how Israel is doing the right thing (if you disagree you’re Antisemitic and a living proof of the horseshoe theory). I also want to denounce the horrors of mayocide and shitty image reactions, plus insert the Nazi 14 words there otherwise it’s literally 1984. (Just kidding.)
Okay, serious now. I don’t know what’s up with this bidding war; this shit is weird. Currently the highest bid is at US$710, that’s 200x more than I have in my wallet*. And it’s perfectly possible that the bidders are all doing it for different reasons: perhaps they believe that it had enough traffic to justify the price, or they want to recover it for your instance, or they are indeed in some weird vendetta.
And if it’s a vendetta it could be for a thousand reasons. It could be anticommunism, but it could be as well some HB user behaving like a wild monkey outside your home instance and getting someone pissed enough to do this stupid shit.
*R$20, or roughly US$3.50. Yup. If I had some money I’d gladly donate to Karim.
I mean they just try to collect the highest bid and then ban you if you don’t pay. I’m thinking it’s just someone fucking around.
Edit: yeah I’m guessing this is it. If you social engineer support and pretend to be them… Seems like John Smith is the bidders’ name on the site, before they turned me away.
JS has bid 26 times now without missing a beat. It’s up to $2,345. That’s insane… and with 8 days left! Like bruhh what?? I refuse to believe they genuinely want to purchase it vs just driving up the price.
It’s a popcorn fest for everyone! Including Hexbear users, they clearly don’t give a fuck about the address itself.
My guesses are, in order:
- Same as you, they’re just driving up the price. They’ll stop bidding near the end.
- They genuinely want the address because they have some really bad bone to pick against HB, and they have more than enough money to waste on it.
- Some really clueless HB user wants the address, even if their own admins said to not bother.
Theres also the possibility it’s the owner of the scamcoin which is also named hexbear
Unlikely. As I mentioned elsewhere, the last transaction of said coin was 886d ago, and it’s priced at zero. That coin is dead.
aw that would’ve been funny
Not going to lie, it would.
Same, it’s going to be an intense 9 days from now on. The finale is a great mystery as to how will everything turn out. What will be the final price? Will people cancel their bids? What will be shown on the new site? Who’s the one bidding? Who will win? And all the drama and arguing in the meantime too. Lemmy’s going to be busy.
To the moon. Still 9 days to go, now $676
Can you share a link to the auction?
It’s in the post’s body.
Oh…I guess I’m an idiot then…
If the highest bidder refuses to pay up, will it pass to the next one down?
Cause I feel lile some of those higher bids would just evaporate and it’d make perfect sense to place say a 500 bid rn (1920) just in case, if you were so inclined to decorate the domain after aquisitionEdit: And also it would mean you could start a bidding war with hexbeareans to drive up their cost to the maximum they would pay, without any risk to yourself as long as you remained anonymous
Supposedly they don’t bid.
Wow, that’s a fuck up of monumental proportions. Still 9 days left on the auction, I wonder how much it’ll ultimately sell for.
This could be really annoying when they all make accounts on lemmy.ml. Funnily enough, having them sequestered over there and defederated from the rest of us has been working pretty well lately. Moderators and admins better start dusting off the banhammers.
Reading through the admin’s post it looks like they have the exact same issue with chapo.chat being registered by an admin who is no longer active and not responding to the rest of the admin team. They explicitly say to view the move to chapo.chat as temporary unless they can get control of that domain.
Sounds like a good lesson for them and many other fediverse instances to form some sort of non-profit/club/organization legal entity and better ensure that these critical items are open to multiple individuals to reduce the bus factor. I would assume having a legal entity would make it easier to get donations to cover costs too.
“No longer active” presumably means “died in Ukraine?”
I’m taking it as “grew up and realised he had been an idiot, so stopped talking to them or supporting the cause”
Y’all are really overthinking this. Have you ever just gotten tired of using some platform or just become less chronically online in any capacity? It doesn’t mean they died or had a change of heart. People’s interests change over time. Not everyone wants to do the same thing forever.
These people are holding onto some weird ass one sided internet beef with a lemmy instance of communist trans people, do you really think they’ve ever touched enough grass to grow past the age they first joined reddit?
Don’t play the victim. Those who were around when Hexbear first federated with the main instances remember how awful their behaviour was. Being a trans communist doesn’t shield you from criticism, nor does it excuse that behaviour. None of grudges people hold are unfounded.
What is chapo.chat? I can see that it runs Lemmy 0.19.8 but is it just not federated or something?
Seems to be kind of a backup domain/instance the hexbear admins have? Not sure to be honest, hopefully someone else can chime in
It’s the same instance. That’s just a synonymous hostname that points to the same IP address.
Right after the r/chapotraphouse sub got banned, they moved to chapo.chat, but the community wasn’t really that tied with the chapo trap house podcast anymore, so they moved to hexbear.net.
But they also said that the same issue will occur with it too, in time.
Well I’m impressed that just defederating from them was enough to basically kill the site.
I thought were defederated most of their existence though? I wonder what changed.
not everyone was, our instance held out as long as possible because were very pro free speech.
Nahh - further back, before they could even be defederated, they spent first years voluntarily isolating themselves from the larger fediverse. Just surprising is all, I was under the impression hexbear was very self sustaining.
Edit- looking like this wasn’t intentional, explains a lot.
Y’all defederated recently? Can you link the thread?
https://discuss.online/post/13916278
at least I think we did, not sure tbh. We definitely talked about it.
We absolutely definitely did:-)
You’re awesome
Ok thanks. Yeah you’re definitely defederated, you can see hexbear on the blocked instances tab.
What? That has nothing at all to do with the reason the domain expired. It has been in a predicament for a while, site admins lost contact with the owner of the domain name. This has been coming for some time.
My 3 favorite proposed alternative urls are tank.ie hexbearmoretankie.net and infinity.ai
Popcorn! Get’cher popcorn here! Can’t have a good fedidrama without that delicious buttery popcorn!
I’ll have a large with extra salt, please.
Oh, hell, and some milk duds too, it’s gonna be a good show.
Don’t forget all the sparkling water provided by the colourful users of hexbear.
OMG!!!
I have more fitting memes. :D
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Please post them on the reaction memes community when you can, I don’t have much time to do it myself (T~T)
Will post some of them in a moment.
Fuck yeah!
It’s up to $1921 now lol
I enjoyed the community. Hope they find a new home.
The bid is at $505.00!
Is Hexbear even worth that much?
Hexbear isn’t worth the dog shit I scraped off my shoe this morning.
The domain name isn’t worth anything, they’ve changed domain names before, they’ll do it again.
It will be funny that someone paid 500 dollars to make a communist domain redirect to /r/neoliberal or the wikipedia article on economics or the Black Book of Communism or something. Maybe declare Juan Guaidó the interim president of hexbear and redirect to his twitter.
That genuinely would be a funny troll
$1921 🤯 We need a Lemmy livestream for the countdown to it settling
That would’ve been some nice funding for the instances and fediverse developers.
Oh wow, this post reminded me to renew some domains I use.
