- cross-posted to:
- ukraine@sopuli.xyz
- cross-posted to:
- ukraine@sopuli.xyz
The U.S. expects Ukraine’s response Wednesday to a peace framework that includes U.S. recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and unofficial recognition of Russian control of nearly all areas occupied since the 2022 invasion, sources with direct knowledge of the proposal tell Axios.
Why it matters: The one-page document the U.S. presented Ukrainian officials in Paris last week describes this as Trump’s “final offer.” The White House insists it’s ready to walk away if the parties don’t make a deal soon.
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This week’s final offer isn’t very good. I’ll wait for next week’s final offer, or the one after that.
Looks like Russia will have to throw another several hundred thousand working age males into the meat-grinder, to maintain that few hundred square kms of dirt.
Putin: “It’s a sacrifice my billionaire narcissism is willing to make”
Didn’t we just get photos of 50 year old Russians turning themselves over to Ukraine? Idk what you mean by ‘working age males’ anymore.
Erm, people still work at 50.
My mistake, I was internalizing ‘military age male’ when I both read and responded to the original commenter. 🤷♂️
Or I should have gone with a higher age. The photos I saw looked like very rough older men, which again doesn’t say much as it’s Russia and they’re fighting in a war.
Can’t be. At 50 aren’t you drooling, barely able to walk, and ridiculously senile?
‘working age males’
Older than a child, younger than someone requiring a care home?
Some of them look like they need a care home.
Furniture store diplomacy
It’s official, USA is part of the problem, not part of the sollution.
That’s been true since slow-walking advanced equipment and allowing Musk to remain free and not nationalizing Starlink after he fucked parts of the counteroffensive.
It is fucking bonkers to me that the intelligence agencies and/or the DoD didn’t immediately say “we’re taking that over” the instant it was discovered that he was communicating directly with Putin.
He had an election to wi- subvert by clinging onto incumbentcy and in the final momements concede but doing everything in his power to ensure the status quo would not be threatened.
You can’t really just nationalize things, and there are alternatives to starlink.
There are laws about it for military stuff, they actually can just be legally nationalized if a CEO is being a traitor. I’m not sure about the timeline for that to be done but trying to do it at all would have been better than continuing with no consequences.
There are limited alternatives to starlink in war zones with infrastructure at risk like Ukraine, not to mention the government contracts that were signed to pay and use them mean switching isn’t the easiest.
trump and the republiQans are the problem.
If the so-called left and the slack-ass MFs who refused to or didn’t vote could have gotten their goddamned shit together we could have resolved this - and every other fucking thing under the sun - better.
Always has been.
Lmao Trump is 100% Putins bitch. I wonder what Putin actually has over him cause Trump could get away with anything right? Why is he such a bitch then?
My guess is that Trump world view benefits with more dictators in power and justifies his own dictatorship goals but sucking this hard?
I think putler has videos.
I think it’ll either be of Fatboy pissing on hookers, or fucking children. Or both.
It’s probably both, and other things too, but one of these two is a definite.It’s 2025, videos don’t matter anymore, definitely not to Trump.
First off we’ve had deepfakes for years so he could just claim that. Secondly, and this is more important, Trump’s base wouldn’t care anyway. They’d start off denying the whole thing, and then if it’s proven to be real, they’d just say it’s not that big of a deal because dems do it more and it’s worse, until finally they’ll say it’s actually a good thing, but only when Trump does it.
Honestly, I think Putin might actually be appeasing to Trump’s ego. Seems like a much easier way to control him than holding something over him tbh. Remember, for Putin, total control of Trump forever isn’t necessary. Even if he jumps off Putin’s dick right now, he’s already achieved so much for Putin that it’ll have been worth it for him.
but doesn’t russian media constantly make fun of trump?
Russian talking heads? Sure. They always make fun of the west and western leaders. But does Trump speak Russian?
Anyway, while Russian media is all more or less under Putin’s control, that doesn’t mean they’re always necessarily saying the same things he’s saying. If Trump’s having 90 minutes phone calls with Putin, I’m fairly sure he’s not getting ridiculed. Likely Putin talks to him like an equal - to his face, anyway. And being seen as an equal by your hero can pretty much blind you with emotions.
I think pedo shit is the only one he couldn’t get away with so this definitely makes sense. Though, now he could say it’s fake and AI and maybe even get by.
Being able to get away with anything is vastly different than being able to handle criticism and embarrassment associated with (yet another) scandal, especially something of a more personal nature that draws his “character” into question among his base.
Basically DJT is the biggest snowflake there is, he would rather incite global conflict than let the world know he has smol pp
Well you remember how rabidly drumpf fellated that poor microphone that one time? Where do you think he learned that? 😆
your guess is right… there’s an alliance of dictators, basically… (see also: el salvador)
Final offer of what? It’s a terrible offer. And walk away from making stupid suggestions? Sure, go ahead.
Art of the Squeal
Fart of the Seal
The implication is walking away all US military support, I believe.
Ukraine can surrender to Russia without USA’s help. Trump deal is the same as surrendering, but where USA also gets a cut.
USA losing all influence in six months. Excellent job republiQans, you’ve done more than even the worst predictions could have imagined.
Not like they were going to get any help from this administration anyway.
HA. NOPE. Back to the 2013 borders. Period. Plus it’s not up to the US. It’s up to the country being invaded.
Due to our administration we are 100% going to abandon them, so this is worse than nothing. It’s the exact same result if Russia wins the war, plus all the lives and money and devastation spent.
Not quite, if they have a security guarantee, then they have political independence from Moscow
They already have one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
Offering another empty promise is unlikely to cause them to make concessions again
That’s assuming the country providing the “security guarantee” will actually do what they say they will when worse comes to worst. These days, that’s a BIG assumption.
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I love his Trump thinks he can call the shots, guy is a fucking dipshit honestly get fucked.
Fuck off Krasnov.
Get fucked Trump
Why the fuck is the US making offers to Ukraine for peace? Shouldn’t Russia be doing that?
Trump surrendered the Second Cold War to Russia.
Russia has installed a puppet regime here.
He is maintaining a stupid stageplay for his stupid base whom he still needs to retain power, as they are basically an army he could mobilize if he has to.
Sure he would probably be happy and make sacks of cash if he got Ukraine to surrender, but nobody expects that to happen. Outside of said idiots who believe Trump to be Stupid-Jesus risen again. Most of them are too dim to understand what’s happening and delight in their own cognitive dissonance. They read a statement like this and go “YEAH BROTHA TELL THEM FREELOADERS TO STOP STEALING AMERICAN CASH” then tell all their friends and family and nonconsenting coworkers how Trump “resolved the ukraine war” like he promised.
If anyone thinks any part of that is hyperbolic, you’re not getting out enough. Ya’ll gotta understand that the quarter of America who worships this orange turd are cheering and partying all day, every day. They’re not worried, they’re not regretting shit. All of that is distraction and pandering. They believe themselves to be winning, and their leader controls the world’s most wealthy and powerful nation.
Because the US has the most powerful military on the planet and Ukraine is dependent on it so they can continue fighting the war.
We’re not seeing any news coming out of Ukraine because they’re losing badly right now. It’s how propaganda works. Overplay your sides’ accomplishments while ignoring their failures. If we’re hearing radio silence from the news outlets that were eager to promote things like Ukraine’s “counteroffensive,” it’s because Ukraine is losing and the propaganda mills aren’t allowed to report on it.
Da comrade.
Hey Trump, FUCK YOU!
Give them back Crimea, fuck back off to Russia and maybe we can talk about peace
Ain’t happening. Not supporting Russia or Israel. Cannot take peoples land because u just want to. Fk them.
Cannot take peoples land because u just want to.
Wait till he finds out that’s how every sovereign nation came to be…
The Orange Jackass can go sit on a flagpole.
