I’d love to use Mastodon more than I have BUT I DONT FUCKING USE LINUX AND I DONT WANT TO FUCKING HEAR ABOUT IT ALL GODDAMN DAY
Not having an algorithm means you need to curate your content.
If you drink from the fire hose you’re only going to get bean juice.
sorry but we cant just say no to an oportunity to suggest to you use linux
I noticed. I’m not having any of the problems that linux supposedly fixes.
Linux doesn’t fix, it just makes the problems more fun
i love recompiling my kernel
So you turned to Lemmy. Great choice.
Yeah. Its going downhill fast
Linux, AI, LGBT and Trump/Musk. Everyone, every day. People need to know about those subjects, but it’s awful to restrict the diversity of the world to the same recycled messages. It’s like hearing Lois Griffin saying 9/11 time and time again 😅.
You should just use Linux.
What do you think about Linux Mint?
Mint is a very good first distro.
Definitely go for it.
Lol I’m a linux user, but I rarely see content about it on Mastodon. I try to center over conversations and so and try to keep Tech content here in Lemmy.
You literally create your feed and select the people you want to connect to, it’s easier to control the things you see ;)
You can filter posts with specific words or phrases. Or you could make the better choice of switching to Linux and getting a nice pair of programmer socks.
No post I have ever made has generated more response than this one, which kindof reinforces my point
If they want to reach their customers, they likely won’t find them on mastodon… hard to ignore millions of engaged users 🤷♂️
Mastodon moderation is also absolute garbage.
That’s not consciously why, but it’s certainly part of the stack of reasons that made BS blow up despite coming in from the rear in both building the tech/site and having absorbed the first wave of Twitter departures.
Incidentally, I have a dormant Masto account and active accounts here and on Bluesky.
Masto is a big disappointment and surprisingly bad fit for the Fedi/AP structure.
Would you mind elaborating why it’s a bad fit? No shade to Lemmy, but if anything I feel like that would be a worse fit. People always talk about how the best part of Reddit was the niche subs, and a big issue here is that now instead of one small community you end up with 50 communities that all have one subscriber each. Also, there’s a lot of reposting and cross posting to the same community on separate instances. Instances on what is functionally a more social network like mastodon make more sense, so you could for example have all players of a specific team on an instance just for that specific team, or government employees on a government instance. Make up and beauty influencers could for example be all on another instance, making their work easier to find.
I was never on any microblog sites though, so maybe I don’t really understand them.
Well, since all the variants of a community are visible from everywhere if this ever got big you’d think users would consolidate around thing. And this does happen with some. There are many groups around gaming or tech or Linux, but there’s typically a bigger one among those and as a new user you search and look for the one with the most people. And you can just follow them all and your feed just does the job of surfacing them for you together.
And there are some tools for managing reposts and the like that aggregate identical posts. It’s far from perfect, I agree, but it is functional.
But for a Twitter-like the idea is that people would group in instances based on interests and instances would revolve around interests. But that’s not how those work. You don’t follow twenty people that only talk about one thing each. People talk about a bunch of stuff. And people don’t stick to a theme within an instance in the first place, they just need an entry point to the firehose, and all entry points give you the firehose. You can host a hundred people with one thing in common, but their output won’t be the same and you will also be hosting a number of randos unless you’re strictly invite-only.
That means that using defederation as a moderation tool has a ton of collateral damage. People who chose an instance at random and got cut off with it. People who chose your instance and were following legit users of an instance you defederated. People who are on a solid instance but some bad actors joined it. People who disagree with a defederation choice on principle. And since Masto’s instance migration tools are even worse than its moderation tools when inevitably some petty bullshit leads to federation wars you’re going to end up having to migrate and rebuild a bunch of stuff. The opposite is also true, there is no guarantee that the bad actors will stay put in an instance if you cut it off defensively. And individually blocking them is pointless, since whatever new user they create will be fundmentally different and distinct despite looking the exact same because with the way accounts work across instances there is no way to prevent duplication on short handles. It’s a mess.
Here you’re subscribed to a subreddit thing that IS tied to an instance. If that gets really bad then sure, some of that collateral damage may also happen, but at least regrouping around a different version of the same thing is a communal process. You don’t have to track down every individual user again, you just start posting on the second most popular version of that thing and go from there.
Strongly disagree. Bluesky is extremely American-centric and basically just a bulletin board of “hot takes”. I find Mastodon much deeper, more engaging, and international. I’m glad I deleted my BS account and replaced it with Mastodon.
edit: However, I was never a Twitter user in the past
I have to say them setting themselves up to have “BS” as an acronym was a bad choice. Although I still hope it was intentional.
Look, it’s fine. You don’t need to be into successful things. But a bulletin board of hot takes is the core functionality of microblogging.
If you make a Twitter-like for “deep” conversation then… don’t make that. That’s why I prefer it here.
The character limit is in place because Twitter was a constant flow of headlines scrolling past your feed. You stepped into the stream and let the news and hot takes wash over you, get mad every now and then and ragetweet back, join a dogpile, whatever.
It’s toxic and bad, just like all social media, but it’s intended to feed you quick bites of condensed info constantly.
You want deeper, then go somewhere where you have no character limit, proper discussion threading and no focus on media posts. So… you know… here, kind of. Reddit, but by extension here.
But Twitter was successful because the flood of microhits was useful for famous people to reach out to fanbases asymmetrically while still retaining some feedback and validation and for people who needed access to those (journalists, marketers and activists, mainly) to be able to reach out and receive info from them directly and easily.
Mastodon is NOT that, and so Mastodon makes no damn sense. This does. Pixelfed does. Mastodon does not and it will never be a Twitter replacement for that reason. And since it’s made to be a Twitter replacement it will never be much of anything else, either.
Mastodon exists, currently, because enough people like it (and some of those people, myself included, like it in part because it’s less Americanized than BS). Perhaps a Twitter replacement should be better than Twitter. Maybe for many people Mastodon is an improvement.
I don’t think that acronym matters much with “Bluesky” being a short word, written and spoken.
Meh. I end up tempted to use BS a bunch and thinking about it twice because it may be confusing in unflattering ways.
Masturbon sounds wrong that’s why they use bluesky.
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Fuck me, I wouldn’t join BS even if you paid me. I’ve stepped on the centralised social network rake one too many times.
I guess I’ll lose out on the viral influencer garbage I don’t care about and brands doing cringe shit to push their products.
Being on both…. I can say I am on Bluesky way more, more engagement, more big names etc etc. Mastodon feels dead in comparison.
I think a piece of it is discoverability. Mastodon makes it hard to find stuff, or suggests the same five accounts for me to follow for months. Blue sky is easier to find stuff on. I wish something like Mastodon would win, but the numbers aren’t trending that way. Blue sky has more momentum.
That’s strange, having bridged my account to both, I actually feel the opposite. I have way more engagement on the Mastodon side to the point where I forget I bridged my account to bluesky.
I mean it certainly helps that all my posts are tech and retro gaming related but still
Everyone who has anything to say should post on both, then ditch Bluesky once they have enough followers on Mastodon.
Also, if you don’t mind absolute chaos because of intentionally no moderation -> Nostr
If you also don’t mind crypto whackos everywhere…
As much as I’d love to see mastodon grow, I feel like a lot of people here like to ignore the number one most important feature of a social network: who’s on it.
This a bold comment to post on Lemmy
Bluesky didn’t start with millions. Europeans chose it when there were none. Like Facebook getting its start because Savarin used his college frat connections across the country to get the ball rolling, I’m sure there were paid influencers who got things moving for Bluesky.
and mastodon just can’t have the social network with how confusing it is to a normal user, just like lemmy.
Decentralized platforms will never take off as long as people talk about how it works, you just need a URL with a sign up function that works and an app you can install, log in to and it works. That’s what a normal user wants.
This 100%. I barely joined here because of how confusing it was. Having to pick a community is a big turn off if you just want to try something casually.
Finding accounts to follow on Mastadon is fer less intuitive than finding some Lemmy communities to follow
That’s for sure. But just as an example a friend of mine wanted to move away from reddit but found lemmy too confusing with how people explained it. If nobody is there to actually tell him how simple it actually is he’d never move over here.
Anyone from Lemmy explaining how it works on reddit with 3 paragraphs is writing 2 and a half paragraphs too many to actually get people to move here.
Anyone from Lemmy explaining how it works on reddit with 3 paragraphs is writing 2 and a half paragraphs too many to actually get people to move here.
I agree. Anyone willing to read all that detail is already here.
Bluesky is for people that want Twitter to go back to the “progressive” highly moderated/censored hugbox that it was before Musk bought it. They don’t want decentralisation or any of the supposed privacy that brings (which isnt actual privacy anyway), they just want old Twitter where everyone agrees with each other cause they ban everyone that doesn’t. Bluesky is that because it’s a literal Twitter clone from the guy who made Twitter.
The important part on mastodon is that you have the choice to join whatever place you want, look at the stuff you want, have moderation as much or less as you want and cant be forced to anything really.
The fedi in total is about freedom, not privacy. Privacy in public posts is pretty much nonexistent. The only “privacy” argument i can think of is you cant be forced to link accounts and you can make thousands which makes it hard to grasp who you are today.
Still a vastly better idea than bluesky.
In reality that’s not how mastodon or Lemmy or any other fediverse place work though, especially moderation wise. Your instances mods only control content on that instance, and you’re still at the mercy of the tyrannical mods on other instances. With the much smaller population on them, there are already “default” communities about topics that if/when you’re banned from them by some wannabe dictator ex-Reddit mod there’s nothing you can do, just the same as it was on Reddit.
Privacy has been sold as one of the big benefits of the fediverse, like it or not. I just mentioned that it isn’t private at all.
In reality, you can easily just as easy make your own version of a community. The idea of community isnt that every person needs to listen to your ideas because youre brillant but that if you happen to find people centered around the same idea (which can also be less moderation), you wont be hindered by central admins.
That’s no different to Reddit though, and it doesn’t work there. Everyone congregates on the “default” most populated subs/communities. Making a new one pretty much never works. It takes the previous one being closed or completely changed for any alternative to get any traction.
Let me check your comments real quick. Yeeeeaaaahhhh, that’s what I thought. “FreedomAdvocate”, it was so obvious.
Ew, ew, ew, fucking ew
For real; the second I saw “hugbox”, I was like, “Hmm….”
Let me check yours real quick…….oh wow, what a surprise - everyone you disagree with is a fascist.
I tried making an account on bluesky. I was using orbot at the time. It let me make an account and then instant acocunt suspension. Similar to other platforms.
I appreciate the platform preemptively stopping me from wasting my time. I should have known better.
Bsky user here - I just want Twitter without Nazi bullshit.
I just want Twitter without opinions I don’t agree with
Are implying that X, formerly known as Twitter doesn’t have a Nazi problem right now?
In other words, are you fascist enough to ignore all the nazis literally posting swastikas and shitheads like fucktard musk literally giving the nazi salute? People openly calling black people the N word? Rampant transphobia and homophpbia?
Are you going to post your little .jpg again that you have in your gallery to try and cover up that you’re a little muskboi?
NAZIS AND NAZI SYMPATHISERS - GET THE FUCK OFF LEMMY
You’re like one of the people who complains that all they see on X is porn, not knowing that what you’re saying is that you regularly searched for porn in the first place to the point where “the algorithm” learns that’s what they want to see so keeps feeding it to them.
The rest of us have never seen any porn, or Nazi shit, on X.
Holy fucking mental gymnastics batman.
what topics are being banned?
Topics aren’t banned, but certain sides opinions on topics are heavily moderated/censored.
I agree with you in part, but I find just wanted to put the footnote that good moderation isn’t censorship (unless it’s literally being used to suppress alternative viewpoints). Good moderation is just reminding everyone of your grandmother’s rule that if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say it all. And there is nothing wrong in joining an instance like that and doesn’t make your instance an echo chamber.
Good moderation isn’t censorship, but let’s be real - good moderation by random volunteer internet users is rarely ever good moderation. Most of the time it’s just suppressing alternative viewpoints.
Mastodon user here since 2017. Sure, Bluesky requires less learning for those who come from other centralized platforms and nobody has to deal with fediblock drama over there. Some may also point to Bluesky’s users being less tech-savvy and less prone to dogpiling on tech companies for their poor decisions, which I don’t believe is completely true. Something I do love about Mastodon though is I don’t need any mods or admins to make decisions for me. I can calmly stay in an instance I trust and filter everything, every single small bit, to fit my own criteria. I get others think this is bad moderation and wish to depend on third parties to answer their reports, clean the servers and “do justice” but I prefer to make those decisions myself and let others make theirs.
a lack of moderation is how you get 4chan and x
Both are pretty heavily moderated.
That’s a huge oversimplification. UX design and a careful selection of settings and features, for instance, have a big role in that regard. It’s not what you prohibit but what you incentivize too.
