From the guy’s own mouth.

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    The closest thing to the lie you wrote is the part where it says Putin demanded that NATO stop recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign country. So he’s invading Ukraine because NATO didn’t allow him to annex Ukraine Anschluss and annexation of Sudetenland style. And if you think that would help, remember that appeasing Putin over Georgia and, effectively, over Crimea and Donbass didn’t do shit to stop his aggression.

    Besides the document implies what was already obvious, which is that, before the war, Ukraine wasn’t even going to be allowed into NATO any time soon, NATO countries just couldn’t sign an agreement that would limit Ukraine’s sovereignty.

    • @OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml
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      What is the fascination with historically illiterate liberals trying to equate everything they don’t like to Hitler?

      Putin invaded Ukraine, because he doesn’t want nukes 800 km from Moscow. If you don’t understand this, you don’t understand what is happening here.

      • zephyreks [none/use name]
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        Yes but you see, no country has declared war based on the threat of nukes.

        Quarantines are, of course, different. As are special military operations. Of course.

        • @OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml
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          Oh they haven’t? India-Pakistan conflict did not happen then. The Cuban missile crisis didn’t happen either. I guess the US hasn’t been trying to kill Iran’s nuclear program with drone bombings and assassinations either.

          I’d say open a book, but I don’t think you have the capacity to benefit from it.

      • Skua
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        “Everyone around me is arming themselves. Better stab the one that hasn’t got a weapon because I agreed to defend them a while back. That’ll fix it.”

          • Skua
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            Invading a non-NATO country does not do anything whatsoever to counter NATO presence near Russia. Russia has already had a land border with NATO for twenty years. Thanks to Finland joining it also just got a lot bigger, because funnily enough if Russia starts throwing its weight around everyone else is going to look for security from Russia. This reasoning doesn’t even explain Russia’s invasion, never mind justify it

            • @OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml
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              Are you pretending that Ukraine did not apply for NATO membership, or that NATO stated they were planning to place nukes there (which we only learned because Ukraine was cheering it on Twitter)?

              • Skua
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                I’m not pretending anything. I’m saying that even if Russia fully annexed Ukraine in 24 hours flat, it wouldn’t move NATO’s borders any further away from Russia.

      • mrnotoriousman
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        Putin invaded because he’s an autocratic piece of shit that wants to bully smaller countries into increasing his own wealth and power. I don’t expect a pro Kremlin stooge to understand anything happening here though.