That dead woman called Tumblr is still walking with a healthy strut these days, also soaking up some displaced Redditors. Horny shit is slowly but surely returning to Tumblr’s fields, as well.
Tumblr illustrates the problem with porn in general, they didn’t shut it down for no reason, they shut it down because the pedos had decided to use it as a dissemination portal for their vile shit, and the structure of Tumblr made it difficult to moderate away, especially at scale. Thus, Apple threatening to pull them from the app store, for good reason. All they could do was go scorched earth on porno.
So that’s the issue we’re going to have, here, and I’m not sure if the “some guy running an instance for the fuck of it” model is prepared for it.
The key difference with lemmy is, if that one instance is the one disseminating cp, they get defederated, and so removed from the other normal users, and then if the instance doesn’t shut down, LEO gets involved. The other normal porn-hosting instances can operate business as usual.
The piratebay has been running since 2003 - 2023 on the clear web. Thats how hard it is to take down a website when done properly. With the few times its been down and/or raided thats still 99.99% uptime.
Hosting costs are very low due to the inherent nature of torrenting. It’s essentially just an index of magnet links used for downloading torrent files. Apparently the whole TPB directory could fit on less than 100MB of storage. They don’t actually host any of the illegal content they provide.
They’ve hosted the site on multiple cloud services, which law enforcement would have to play an endless game of whack-a-mole to truly dent.
Sweden are notoriously lenient on piracy and copyright infringement. TPB’s founders only faced a year in prison and a hefty multi million dollar fine when they went to trial.
United States authorities are very unlikely to get the Swedish courts to extradite these individuals, because their 1960 extradition treaty is quite strict on what offences one can be extradited to the USA for, and the only mention of piracy on there refers to the maritime kind. Compare this to how easily Kickass Torrents was taken down and how the Polish authorities nearly got its founder flown out to the US to face trial.
The hosts not only provided the knowledge to but outright encouraged others to host mirrors/proxies of the website to get past DNS censorship.
There are ways to detect CSAM which makes it a lot easier to track down and lock up individuals who access it. Another big difference is that producing, distributing, and even possessing CSAM is seen as a far more heinous crime against humanity than downloading a pirated movie copy.
TLDR: there are three things that could survive a nuclear armageddon: cockroaches, Keith Richards and the Pirate Bay.
I don’t know, law enforcement can be pretty slow. I definitely see a few cease and desists happening before any real action, and as soon as that starts, the sane instances defederate.
Regardless, the point is, they get taken care of in one of a multitude of ways.
Yahoo banned porn on Tumblr because Apple found a CSAM image on their platform, banned their app from the App Store, then as a condition for unbanning the Tumblr app, issued them an ultimatum to outright ban pornographic content. I originally thought that Yahoo’s justification was an excuse they used because they couldn’t be bothered to invest the resources needed to purge illegal content from their platform, but apparently Discord have been hit with similarly puritanical demands from Apple and Google, who basically have a monopoly on what apps go on your smartphone,
Nevertheless, Tumblr’s porn exodus is the core reason why Yahoo sold the platform to Automattic for pennies compared to how much they originally acquired Tumblr for. It even sparked a renaissance of lewd artists flocking to Newgrounds - a site that was originally on its knees due to the death of Flash animations and browser gaming.
It’s also worth noting that Automattic have since partially dialed-back the ban. Nudity is allowed on Tumblr again, but graphic sexual content isn’t. Obviously they did this in direct response to Elon Musk enshittifying Twitter. Another reason I think Tumblr is living on is because it was known for three things: porn, niche fandoms and social justice warriors. Musk has notably burned bridges with any Twitter users who oppose hate speech.
God forbid if Tim Cook and Sundar Pichai find out there’s porn on Reddit…
Do you have a source on that? It doesn’t smell right. Every platform (All of them. Every single one. No exceptions) that allows user-submitted images/videos has an issue that some of that content is illegal. CSAM is the most obvious, but not the only one. What made Tumblr different from the 20 million+ instances on Facebook? Source1, Source2 At the time, scrolling through r/All for just a few minutes was nearly certain to show something pornographic, although not CSAM.
The story I heard (admittedly, I’m having trouble finding a source at the moment) is that Tumblr’s tools to remove CSAM weren’t good enough. While they would remove the offending image when it was reported, they did not delete the connections to other users/groups. Which meant it was easy to find more, even after some had been removed. In turn, that meant that it quickly became the platform of choice for anyone uploading this stuff, creating a higher volume and ratio of illegal content.
While I know Apple has long been anti-porn, it seems unlikely that they would take such an arbitrary hard line while ignoring countless others.
Technology has more or less flowed with the proliferation of porn. VHS (over Betamax), bluray (over HD-DVD), online payments and other Internet features rose to prominence because pornographic content helped spearhead their adoption.
I will die on the hill that blu-ray won over HD-DVD purely because the PS3 could play blu-ray and the Xbox 360 couldn’t play either. Blu-ray players were crazy expensive when the PS3 came out, to the point that the PS3 was the cheapest blu-ray player when it came out.
Porn industries only chose blu-ray once it was already in the PS3. Out of all the HD-DVD players and blu-ray players on the planet combined at the end of the format war 10 out of 11 were PS3s. Also not to mention that almost everyone backed blu-ray and it was the objectively better format. It held 40% more information and was backed by the biggest media companies. On top of the fact blockbuster went blu-ray.
Honestly it’s very tiresome that everyone says that porn did it when you can look at the facts and see that the war was won by blu-ray from the start and that most porn content was available on both formats for a long time, basically guaranteeing that it couldn’t have affected the outcome. Like I get that “haha porn funny” but it clearly wasn’t the deciding factor, and arguably not a factor at all. Like any cursory look into the history dispels the myth immediately which makes me wonder why everyone feels the need to parrot it as if it’s fact.
I don’t think he was saying porn was the cause though, was he? If HDDVD had won, it still would have gotten porn on it as a demonstration of its victory.
When I browse “all” on here, there is the occasional tiddy in between. I appreciate that. Reddit’s r/all was so much better when nudity wasn’t purged from it.
Probably not yet. Hopefully better tagging and filtering features could be implemented in the future, right now the devs are understandably busy with performance optimization however. Third party apps might be able to filter better client-side, too. Blocking entire instances for example (like lemmynsfw.com).
If you want porn gone from your All feed right now you have to manually block subs that allow it. It is possible, but will be tedious. You can turn off NSFW completely on your profile, but that also filters out non-porn NSFW posts of course.
Edit: your Home feed will be clean as long as you don’t subscribe to any subs that allow porn. But that doesn’t give you the chance to find new subs like on All.
I’m not sure that’s a valid comparison. Tumblr was overwhelmingly porn, which was its biggest selling point. The only thing dumber was when OnlyFans tried to ban hardcore porn (Fortunately, I guess, they saw the light pretty quick and relented)
While Reddit always had porn, it was never the primary draw.
One of my required classes in college had a day where the professor just talked about all the times porn determined the newest media distribution standards.
Just remember how quickly Tumblr fold after they started banning porn.
Don’t ever underestimate the power of horniness in which large part of the internet runs on.
That dead woman called Tumblr is still walking with a healthy strut these days, also soaking up some displaced Redditors. Horny shit is slowly but surely returning to Tumblr’s fields, as well.
Tumblr illustrates the problem with porn in general, they didn’t shut it down for no reason, they shut it down because the pedos had decided to use it as a dissemination portal for their vile shit, and the structure of Tumblr made it difficult to moderate away, especially at scale. Thus, Apple threatening to pull them from the app store, for good reason. All they could do was go scorched earth on porno.
So that’s the issue we’re going to have, here, and I’m not sure if the “some guy running an instance for the fuck of it” model is prepared for it.
The key difference with lemmy is, if that one instance is the one disseminating cp, they get defederated, and so removed from the other normal users, and then if the instance doesn’t shut down, LEO gets involved. The other normal porn-hosting instances can operate business as usual.
Law enforcement would probably shut down such instances faster than the rest of Lemmy could collectively defederate them.
Hosting such stuff on the clear web is basically asking for a joint FBI, NCA and other major law enforcement agency raid on your premises.
The piratebay has been running since 2003 - 2023 on the clear web. Thats how hard it is to take down a website when done properly. With the few times its been down and/or raided thats still 99.99% uptime.
The Pirate Bay is a very unique case because:
TLDR: there are three things that could survive a nuclear armageddon: cockroaches, Keith Richards and the Pirate Bay.
Comments like these where the reason I joined reddit, glad to see more here.
I don’t know, law enforcement can be pretty slow. I definitely see a few cease and desists happening before any real action, and as soon as that starts, the sane instances defederate.
Regardless, the point is, they get taken care of in one of a multitude of ways.
Not quite how it happened.
Yahoo banned porn on Tumblr because Apple found a CSAM image on their platform, banned their app from the App Store, then as a condition for unbanning the Tumblr app, issued them an ultimatum to outright ban pornographic content. I originally thought that Yahoo’s justification was an excuse they used because they couldn’t be bothered to invest the resources needed to purge illegal content from their platform, but apparently Discord have been hit with similarly puritanical demands from Apple and Google, who basically have a monopoly on what apps go on your smartphone,
Nevertheless, Tumblr’s porn exodus is the core reason why Yahoo sold the platform to Automattic for pennies compared to how much they originally acquired Tumblr for. It even sparked a renaissance of lewd artists flocking to Newgrounds - a site that was originally on its knees due to the death of Flash animations and browser gaming.
It’s also worth noting that Automattic have since partially dialed-back the ban. Nudity is allowed on Tumblr again, but graphic sexual content isn’t. Obviously they did this in direct response to Elon Musk enshittifying Twitter. Another reason I think Tumblr is living on is because it was known for three things: porn, niche fandoms and social justice warriors. Musk has notably burned bridges with any Twitter users who oppose hate speech.
God forbid if Tim Cook and Sundar Pichai find out there’s porn on Reddit…
Do you have a source on that? It doesn’t smell right. Every platform (All of them. Every single one. No exceptions) that allows user-submitted images/videos has an issue that some of that content is illegal. CSAM is the most obvious, but not the only one. What made Tumblr different from the 20 million+ instances on Facebook? Source1, Source2 At the time, scrolling through r/All for just a few minutes was nearly certain to show something pornographic, although not CSAM.
The story I heard (admittedly, I’m having trouble finding a source at the moment) is that Tumblr’s tools to remove CSAM weren’t good enough. While they would remove the offending image when it was reported, they did not delete the connections to other users/groups. Which meant it was easy to find more, even after some had been removed. In turn, that meant that it quickly became the platform of choice for anyone uploading this stuff, creating a higher volume and ratio of illegal content.
While I know Apple has long been anti-porn, it seems unlikely that they would take such an arbitrary hard line while ignoring countless others.
Technology has more or less flowed with the proliferation of porn. VHS (over Betamax), bluray (over HD-DVD), online payments and other Internet features rose to prominence because pornographic content helped spearhead their adoption.
I will die on the hill that blu-ray won over HD-DVD purely because the PS3 could play blu-ray and the Xbox 360 couldn’t play either. Blu-ray players were crazy expensive when the PS3 came out, to the point that the PS3 was the cheapest blu-ray player when it came out.
Probably helped, but it definitely got accepted at a quicker rate because of porn.
Porn industries only chose blu-ray once it was already in the PS3. Out of all the HD-DVD players and blu-ray players on the planet combined at the end of the format war 10 out of 11 were PS3s. Also not to mention that almost everyone backed blu-ray and it was the objectively better format. It held 40% more information and was backed by the biggest media companies. On top of the fact blockbuster went blu-ray.
Honestly it’s very tiresome that everyone says that porn did it when you can look at the facts and see that the war was won by blu-ray from the start and that most porn content was available on both formats for a long time, basically guaranteeing that it couldn’t have affected the outcome. Like I get that “haha porn funny” but it clearly wasn’t the deciding factor, and arguably not a factor at all. Like any cursory look into the history dispels the myth immediately which makes me wonder why everyone feels the need to parrot it as if it’s fact.
Cool, thanks for the info. I didn’t do enough research.
I don’t think he was saying porn was the cause though, was he? If HDDVD had won, it still would have gotten porn on it as a demonstration of its victory.
It’s a common myth that porn is the reason for the victors of the various format wars, idk if he was saying that or just alluding to it.
Also early home video recording equipment! (The precursors to which were developed by the military.)
I could’ve sworn HD-DVD had more porn studios backing it. But it was also the time when professional commercial porn was dying as a business.
When I browse “all” on here, there is the occasional tiddy in between. I appreciate that. Reddit’s r/all was so much better when nudity wasn’t purged from it.
Dude right? You scroll a bit, read some shit, laugh at some wit, and then there’s a tit. It wa perfect.
The shit.wit.tit frequency index. A true measure of the health of a social media site?
It really is the best fit.
Can I 100 % ban all porn from my feed? I feel like people aren’t obligated to flag their porn stuff so how can it be filtered?
Probably not yet. Hopefully better tagging and filtering features could be implemented in the future, right now the devs are understandably busy with performance optimization however. Third party apps might be able to filter better client-side, too. Blocking entire instances for example (like lemmynsfw.com).
If you want porn gone from your All feed right now you have to manually block subs that allow it. It is possible, but will be tedious. You can turn off NSFW completely on your profile, but that also filters out non-porn NSFW posts of course.
Edit: your Home feed will be clean as long as you don’t subscribe to any subs that allow porn. But that doesn’t give you the chance to find new subs like on All.
Yeah, it’s difficult to scroll Lemmy on the bus to work because of all the boobs. I still want NSFW posts, just not necessarily boobs.
“I’m fairly sure if they took porn off the internet, there’d only be one website left, and it’d be called ‘Bring Back the Porn’”
Do we have a scrubs community yet somewhere?
The internet is for porn. Don’t make me link the video proving it.
Grab your dick and double click
Please do!
Since you asked.
17 years ago 💀
I’m not sure that’s a valid comparison. Tumblr was overwhelmingly porn, which was its biggest selling point. The only thing dumber was when OnlyFans tried to ban hardcore porn (Fortunately, I guess, they saw the light pretty quick and relented)
While Reddit always had porn, it was never the primary draw.
Porn is to internet communities what a natural water source is to human settlements.
One of my required classes in college had a day where the professor just talked about all the times porn determined the newest media distribution standards.
What was the class?
Coomer 101
I came here to laugh, and masturbate