The burning of the Islamic holy book in Denmark has stirred outrage in Muslim-majority nations. Critics of the Quran burning law say it would undermine liberal freedoms in the Scandanavian country.
Not all Muslims are like that though. Most are very level headed and tolerant of others and their religions too. If all Muslims were how you described, with how many there are in the world there would be literal chaos every day.
Level headed people shouldn’t be out of their mind because some nutjob burns a book.
Pretty sure people who are like you write aren’t keen on getting blasphemy laws back.
You described the fanatical extremists that are not the majority of that religion. I also don’t know what you’re trying to get at with that last part. I just think people are too quick to lump everyone in one bag that doesn’t fully represent them just because it does for a few of them.
There are absolute heinous people who could be demographically similar to me as well I imagine, I don’t want to be lumped in with them. Just like how a lot of Muslims around the world will think that too.
Banning the burning or “desecration” of a specific genre of books because it rallies the feelings of highly religious people is pandering to the views of the religious extremists. That is my point.
People who are level headed about their religion won’t demand that a state forbids to burn a book. And they won’t get worked up by it to the point they think this is something that should be handled on a state level.
I have more of an issue that the people burning are doing it themselves to try and incite something. I couldn’t care less to be honest that it’s about religious stuff or of a specific religion. It goes both ways, just don’t be pricks towards other people and none of that eye for an eye shit either.
Doesn’t really matter what the motivation is. Burning a book does not justify violence in response. You can have pure wonderful motivations or fuck awful ones neither would change what was done.
Sure, but I have received a few messages from Muslims–and only Muslims–threatening to overtake Western civilization so that I’ll be put in my place. I don’t know of any other group that does that.
Right, but you didn’t receive an email from every Muslim in the entire world. And I could think of a few Christian nutjobs that go crazy, like how a lot are against gay people and send them to camps to stop them from being gay.
My overall point doesn’t require that every single Muslim do that. If a small fraction of them are making these threats, it hints at an underlying belief system and related attitudes of an agenda against the West.
Completely agree. I’ve lived in Malaysia and they’re pretty chilled there. Some places though Islam gets pretty full on. Check out Islamabad or Tehran sometime - yikes. Nothing like seeing a march of people chanting, ‘Death to the west!’ and flaying themselves bloody while doing it to realise Islam ramps up.
Protesting against those who impede on your right to self-determination and your right to trade freely with the rest of the world is completely understandable. Especially when the entity enforcing the sanctions and making threatening statements conversely makes so much noise about “liberal” values - the right to free trade, democracy etc.
Geeze yeah the Iranians I saw certainly weren’t protesting. They just wanted war and blood. It’s hard to explain the real face of Islam unless you see it first hand - check it out sometime!
It’s spooky to see how Islam changes Iranians - they’re usually the kindest, most open minded and welcoming people. The Islamists though…wow
The west is the party that wants war and blood. The Iranians just want to defend themselves. Your hypocrisy is through the roof.
You look at Palestine and then say “oh those Hamas guys, they just hate the west for no reason aside from Islam. It has nothing to do with them being oppressed.”
Western liberals are not shouting death to Iran at every rally nor are they conducting escalatory actions that are not proportional. There is a distinctive difference. Sanctions are ramped up and down in direct response to rhetoric and violent actions by proxies around the middle east. You are apparently blind to these.
An Iranian theocratic general in Iraq that was absolutely in no way involved in the destabilisation and insurgency in Iraq. He was just there for holiday. Wake up. If that wasn’t enough for you then maybe the active supply and support of Russia against Ukraine is. I suppose those Iranian Soldiers that were hit in Ukraine were there for the beaches then?
I addressed all of this in my original comment concerning proxies and proportional responses.
Iran sides with anyone who is against the west right now and from their point of view they are completely justified.
America bombed one of their Generals without provocation and is actively boycotting them.
America doesn’t give a shit about Ukraine either, they are about to drop them and fuck them over just like they did to the Kurds.
The West has ravaged the middle east and Africa to steal natural resources.
All democracies were assassinated to install American puppets in the middle east and French and British ones in Africa. (remember the South African Apartheid???)
What we are seeing in Palestine today is what the west (first mostly Britain and France, now also America) has been doing for a century now.
There’s no need to shout death to anyone when your policies cause death. Or when your military spending is greater than everyone else’s combined. Or when you have a legacy of causing death en masse, on a whim.
I guess your solution would be for all restrictions on Iran to be lifted? Honestly I’d love that too. They are somewhat counter productive and the poverty they cause in turn causes extremists.
The harsh truth though is that if the world stopped looking for a year or two Iran would do exactly what they’ve said they’d do…several nuclear bombs going off in Israel and probably elsewhere.
The theocracy there is seriously unhinged - again you should take a look for yourself.
(Also I’m not American nor does their military spending eclipse all other countries - and almost every country has a legacy of death so careful pointing fingers)
The lie that Iran would suddenly launch rockets at Israel is tired and old. It sounds too much like the old Cold War accusations leveled at the Soviet Union that were nothing but projection.
Iran’s theocracy is no more unhinged than their counterpart in the United States - those who push for the liberalization of global markets so as to allow American capital interests to cannibalize the planet, for the good of mankind, of course…
America is currently unrivaled in its legacy of carnage, both at home and abroad. At least two genocides at home and countless wanton killing sprees and invasions abroad - in the name of “democracy”, “free markets”, “liberty” and the other beloved slogans of Uncle Sam.
If anyone should be mistrusted in this equation it is the entity that has a track record of invading sovereign nations, supporting genocide at home and abroad and pushing economic policies that have an extensive track record of failure and extreme human suffering.
Not all Muslims are like that though. Most are very level headed and tolerant of others and their religions too. If all Muslims were how you described, with how many there are in the world there would be literal chaos every day.
Level headed people shouldn’t be out of their mind because some nutjob burns a book. Pretty sure people who are like you write aren’t keen on getting blasphemy laws back.
You described the fanatical extremists that are not the majority of that religion. I also don’t know what you’re trying to get at with that last part. I just think people are too quick to lump everyone in one bag that doesn’t fully represent them just because it does for a few of them.
There are absolute heinous people who could be demographically similar to me as well I imagine, I don’t want to be lumped in with them. Just like how a lot of Muslims around the world will think that too.
Banning the burning or “desecration” of a specific genre of books because it rallies the feelings of highly religious people is pandering to the views of the religious extremists. That is my point.
People who are level headed about their religion won’t demand that a state forbids to burn a book. And they won’t get worked up by it to the point they think this is something that should be handled on a state level.
I have more of an issue that the people burning are doing it themselves to try and incite something. I couldn’t care less to be honest that it’s about religious stuff or of a specific religion. It goes both ways, just don’t be pricks towards other people and none of that eye for an eye shit either.
Doesn’t really matter what the motivation is. Burning a book does not justify violence in response. You can have pure wonderful motivations or fuck awful ones neither would change what was done.
I don’t disagree
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What does the Quran say they are supposed to do to apostates?
Sure, but I have received a few messages from Muslims–and only Muslims–threatening to overtake Western civilization so that I’ll be put in my place. I don’t know of any other group that does that.
Right, but you didn’t receive an email from every Muslim in the entire world. And I could think of a few Christian nutjobs that go crazy, like how a lot are against gay people and send them to camps to stop them from being gay.
My overall point doesn’t require that every single Muslim do that. If a small fraction of them are making these threats, it hints at an underlying belief system and related attitudes of an agenda against the West.
Completely agree. I’ve lived in Malaysia and they’re pretty chilled there. Some places though Islam gets pretty full on. Check out Islamabad or Tehran sometime - yikes. Nothing like seeing a march of people chanting, ‘Death to the west!’ and flaying themselves bloody while doing it to realise Islam ramps up.
Protesting against those who impede on your right to self-determination and your right to trade freely with the rest of the world is completely understandable. Especially when the entity enforcing the sanctions and making threatening statements conversely makes so much noise about “liberal” values - the right to free trade, democracy etc.
Geeze yeah the Iranians I saw certainly weren’t protesting. They just wanted war and blood. It’s hard to explain the real face of Islam unless you see it first hand - check it out sometime!
It’s spooky to see how Islam changes Iranians - they’re usually the kindest, most open minded and welcoming people. The Islamists though…wow
The west is the party that wants war and blood. The Iranians just want to defend themselves. Your hypocrisy is through the roof.
You look at Palestine and then say “oh those Hamas guys, they just hate the west for no reason aside from Islam. It has nothing to do with them being oppressed.”
Western liberals are not shouting death to Iran at every rally nor are they conducting escalatory actions that are not proportional. There is a distinctive difference. Sanctions are ramped up and down in direct response to rhetoric and violent actions by proxies around the middle east. You are apparently blind to these.
The west actively boycots Iran and prevents it from engaging in trade. They have bombed an Iranian general at an airport without being in war.
Iran is the party here that unironically is defending itself. The west is the agressor.
An Iranian theocratic general in Iraq that was absolutely in no way involved in the destabilisation and insurgency in Iraq. He was just there for holiday. Wake up. If that wasn’t enough for you then maybe the active supply and support of Russia against Ukraine is. I suppose those Iranian Soldiers that were hit in Ukraine were there for the beaches then?
I addressed all of this in my original comment concerning proxies and proportional responses.
Iran sides with anyone who is against the west right now and from their point of view they are completely justified.
America bombed one of their Generals without provocation and is actively boycotting them.
America doesn’t give a shit about Ukraine either, they are about to drop them and fuck them over just like they did to the Kurds.
The West has ravaged the middle east and Africa to steal natural resources.
All democracies were assassinated to install American puppets in the middle east and French and British ones in Africa. (remember the South African Apartheid???)
What we are seeing in Palestine today is what the west (first mostly Britain and France, now also America) has been doing for a century now.
There’s no need to shout death to anyone when your policies cause death. Or when your military spending is greater than everyone else’s combined. Or when you have a legacy of causing death en masse, on a whim.
I guess your solution would be for all restrictions on Iran to be lifted? Honestly I’d love that too. They are somewhat counter productive and the poverty they cause in turn causes extremists.
The harsh truth though is that if the world stopped looking for a year or two Iran would do exactly what they’ve said they’d do…several nuclear bombs going off in Israel and probably elsewhere.
The theocracy there is seriously unhinged - again you should take a look for yourself.
(Also I’m not American nor does their military spending eclipse all other countries - and almost every country has a legacy of death so careful pointing fingers)
The lie that Iran would suddenly launch rockets at Israel is tired and old. It sounds too much like the old Cold War accusations leveled at the Soviet Union that were nothing but projection.
Iran’s theocracy is no more unhinged than their counterpart in the United States - those who push for the liberalization of global markets so as to allow American capital interests to cannibalize the planet, for the good of mankind, of course…
America is currently unrivaled in its legacy of carnage, both at home and abroad. At least two genocides at home and countless wanton killing sprees and invasions abroad - in the name of “democracy”, “free markets”, “liberty” and the other beloved slogans of Uncle Sam.
If anyone should be mistrusted in this equation it is the entity that has a track record of invading sovereign nations, supporting genocide at home and abroad and pushing economic policies that have an extensive track record of failure and extreme human suffering.
There is literal chaos every day.