• @stevehobbes@lemy.lol
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    10 months ago

    Go read some Greek history on the city states and ostracism, as well as the fact that it only worked because they had slaves and subjugated women?

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        210 months ago

        Ostracism only required a vote, no crime, and no defense was allowed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism

        The penalty for returning was death.

        Presumably even though there were no border controls, they would kill you if you returned.

        Honestly, I’m not sure what the fixation with a guy in a booth is about. Whether you get denied entry and they throw you out, or if they exile or ostracize you, what’s the difference?

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              10 months ago

              Denying entry to random people is different than telling someone to leave?

              Imagine the difference between a bar with a bouncer at the door and a bar without, and then apply that principle at a much larger scale.

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                210 months ago

                Honestly, it seems the same. If a bar doesn’t want Jews in it and the bartender asks everyone if they’re Jewish or a bouncer at the door feels like a distinction without a difference.

                There’s no additional liberty, the people who own the bar set the rules.

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                  110 months ago

                  But it makes it much harder to control who is in a space, which means in practice there are additional liberties.