Encryption can be decrypted. A password manager encrypting your passwords is like saying your car has working brakes. It’s totally unsafe to even consider operating without but it doesn’t say much when it is there.
It’s not a matter of “why should I trust them” but “why should I trust them more than the system that already exists”. I get the appeal, but the hole is big.
If I forget a password I reset it. If I forget my manager’s password can it be reset? Is the reset option, if extent, susceptible to attack?
If an account gets compromised it could have moderate repercussions, but probably minimal depending on the account, with maybe a couple exceptions. If managed passwords get compromised that’s potentially everything. There has not, and likely never will be, an impenetrable system, so it is a possibility if not a concern.
By “emergency sheet” are you suggesting writing the access-to-everything password down somewhere? If so I’m hard pressed to think of many things less secure. If not I’m genuinely curious what it is.
I can’t imagine a scenario in which I wouldn’t have backups, but I appreciate the mention.
I also am generally not concerned with someone pickpocketing my house keys, but that’s not to say it isn’t a possibility. Awareness is the first step to mitigation.
Email has to be the most protected, I absolutely agree. But I definitely wouldn’t be comfortable with the possibility of needing to reset everything else if I lost my master password. But I don’t know that I’m more comfortable with the ability to reset. It really kinda feels lose-lose to me.
I don’t think we’ll move to passkeys any quicker or easier than we moved to 2FA. I’m glad we’re getting better options but we’re bound by the weakest links and they don’t like change.
Spoken like someone who has never had to deal with corporate ‘security’ before. Password managers are great, but if your workplace has incompetent IT (e.g. probs 90% of workplaces), then you’re SOL and must play the increments game.
Yeah, I switched from LastPass (after one of their many data breaches) to 1Password. I don’t know any of my passwords anymore because they’re all just generated and saved automatically. And that’s a good thing.
Because I want control of my passwords in my head not some software, it’s not like a string of random characters is any more secure than one that can actually be remembered
Yes because I have an easily remembered system for a unique passphrase for any given site. Not trying to shit on password managers though, just providing a different perspective
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Because it’s much more fun to come up with passphrases like Correct Battery Horse Staple.
It’s a lot easier to remember that than #@?Zk23!nPw
You are not supposed to have to remember anything but your master password. :)
I’d rather try and remember than have a single point of failure for all my accounts’ security.
If the passwords are stored offline then I can’t get at them if I’m away from where they’re stored. If they’re stored online they’re not secure.
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Encryption can be decrypted. A password manager encrypting your passwords is like saying your car has working brakes. It’s totally unsafe to even consider operating without but it doesn’t say much when it is there.
It’s not a matter of “why should I trust them” but “why should I trust them more than the system that already exists”. I get the appeal, but the hole is big.
If I forget a password I reset it. If I forget my manager’s password can it be reset? Is the reset option, if extent, susceptible to attack?
If an account gets compromised it could have moderate repercussions, but probably minimal depending on the account, with maybe a couple exceptions. If managed passwords get compromised that’s potentially everything. There has not, and likely never will be, an impenetrable system, so it is a possibility if not a concern.
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By “emergency sheet” are you suggesting writing the access-to-everything password down somewhere? If so I’m hard pressed to think of many things less secure. If not I’m genuinely curious what it is.
I can’t imagine a scenario in which I wouldn’t have backups, but I appreciate the mention.
I also am generally not concerned with someone pickpocketing my house keys, but that’s not to say it isn’t a possibility. Awareness is the first step to mitigation.
Email has to be the most protected, I absolutely agree. But I definitely wouldn’t be comfortable with the possibility of needing to reset everything else if I lost my master password. But I don’t know that I’m more comfortable with the ability to reset. It really kinda feels lose-lose to me.
I don’t think we’ll move to passkeys any quicker or easier than we moved to 2FA. I’m glad we’re getting better options but we’re bound by the weakest links and they don’t like change.
Thanks for the answers
Tacking onto this, because I mix password types too, I don’t want all my passwords in the same (even pseudorandom) style.
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Spoken like someone who has never had to deal with corporate ‘security’ before. Password managers are great, but if your workplace has incompetent IT (e.g. probs 90% of workplaces), then you’re SOL and must play the increments game.
Yeah, I switched from LastPass (after one of their many data breaches) to 1Password. I don’t know any of my passwords anymore because they’re all just generated and saved automatically. And that’s a good thing.
Tons of websites reject pseudo randomly generated passwords, too
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That’s inherently blocking pseudo random password generators.
Max length doesn’t bother me if it’s at least 128 characters, but only allowing specific special characters is a sin.
As of last year, Wells Fargo’s passwords were even cause insensitive. Dunno if they’ve fixed it since then, but probably not
Because I want control of my passwords in my head not some software, it’s not like a string of random characters is any more secure than one that can actually be remembered
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Yes because I have an easily remembered system for a unique passphrase for any given site. Not trying to shit on password managers though, just providing a different perspective