Hi! Ok. There is a lot to unpack.
First of all, thank you for your kind wprds. And for being so interested in the topic.
A year of Milei can be sintetized with “he made impressive economic feats… which were paid for by the working class”.
It is true, inflation is down, prices are more stable, dollars are stable also. He did a lot. I would be praising him if not for the fact that the working class got to, again, pay the bills of the capitalists.
In his campaign, he promised that the " caste", a vague invented group composed of mostly politicians and businessmans, would pay the price of the exonomic shock and also would be on the receiving end of the harsher policoes, if you will. That, however, as many of us in the left knew, wasn’t gonna happen. And it did not. So, the economics part was real, but he lied on the basic premise of his campaign winning argument.
Then, we have the social dimension of his government. And here is worse: he rules by decree instead of by consensus, mischaracterises every politocian or entity that disagrees with him as corrupt, bad,lobbied, communist, socialist, leftist, etc.
1 in 3 protests are repressed by police ilegally (the methods are illegal, properly speaking).
He made it easier for his followers to be more violent, regularly demosntrates disdain for LGBT folks, leftists, and so on.
He does not exhibit any apparent understanding of how democracies are supposed to work, with his party bribing congressmans for votes, even when the laws thay propose are unconstitutional.
They are also using state mobile apps as propaganda for the government.
It’s 4am here, so sorry if I sound a little all over the place. This is my view. I’d advise to research more on this, via different nws source taht have different editorial lines, as to avoid getting only one point of view of the topics I talked about.
All in all, economic fixes are worth nothing, in my opinion, if the working class gets destroyed and the rich get more and more rich.
Hello there, thanks for getting back, I have also kept some watch through different mediums and I can agree on most terms of your comments, I do think there are some outliers however.
The primary motto of his campaign was to make the caste pay, while I agree the workers have also paid, there have been more movements against said group that have ever been applied in Argentina before, I can remember some law he decreed to take down that State Jobs could be inherited from parents to their children, which was crazy to even think of, which makes me think that part of the promise is on-going rather than broken, if we apply the term without looking at where the caste is from (public state/private enterprise) then he does certainly miss the term on the non-governmental caste
About the economical effects it’s certain it put a hold to it’s imminent doom, but also worker salary increases and tax cuts are only beginning to happen, I remember poverty was first reported half throughout this year to be 57% and reports from the same entity have gone downhill since, while worker Salaries have only began increasing in the past two months, in his most recent speech given on the anniversary of his presidency, he did declare he would take off 90% of the taxes in the foreseeable future, which im inclined to believe given the record, perhaps it’s gonna be better once that takes off
I remember reading some news about that state app Propaganda you mention, it was more specifically aimed at an specific union, the leader of which had been trialed for threatening workers to strike under his force group or to be left without benefits. Under these circumstances I don’t believe it was used as Propaganda, since the message indicated that if you were being threatened, you could call the hotline to denounce it, again given the circumstances, Argentina had all of it’s available public media used for campaign for the Economy Minister back in the elections, so im certain Milei could have used way more if he wanted to make propaganda, this is tame in comparison, maybe it can be acceptable given the justice ruled the union leader guilty of those accusations
You are right he’s been ruling by decree, I do not know about those bribes for congressman, I haven’t seen a report of any kind of that either public or alleged but that’s worrying, in the other hand, the parties being bribed would be as guilty of not enforcing democracy in that case, but for Milei’s decree ruling, I believe it was a tool that was granted to him by the same congress, much like it happened with the previous President during the Pandemic, and statistically Milei has used it far less than him in the same period of time. I would believe his disrespect towards his opponents to be part of the “Cultural War” that he refers to where he has to defend his ideas until the results show up, and then he would let them speak for themselves, given the right I would believe he can tone it down in the future, but we’ll see
Hello there again.
I agree with your POVs. But, if you don’t mind, I’d like to clarify.
While I agree that he has done some movements in order to decrease state job abuse, he has done it in a way which left 150.000 families without a job. That a lot of people sadly. He also took down a law put in place by Macri’administration to prevent nepotism.
Most of the shock has been applied to the working class, the elders, etc. In fact, he lowered the Personal Goods tax, which made the upper class less taxable and re-issued the Gains Tax, with a formula that applied to workers who have “high” salaries.
The app thing, happened twice. First in the instance you mention. A phone line to denounce corruption, bribing and coercion from syndicates and unions was established, yes, but it had nothing to do with the app. The app just launched a message that said to users how the unions aren’t in favor of the working class people and such. If you are interested, I think I have screenshots of it.
On the economic front (which I admit it’s the best partbof his government given the results), yes, estabilization and stopping inflation were achieved, but as I said, through the suffering of the working class. Milei boast about salaries being better in dollars. What I believe he does not say is that not only most people receive the salarys in pesos, but most people didn’t have an inflation adjustement on its salary. So people’s power to consume decreased a lot.
This cultural war thingy he always goes on ramblin’ about it’s more of “ancap meets reality” where he is not so liberal but a social conservative. And those two things don’t go hand in hand at least when we talk about social stuff.
Also, while I understand his rethoric and character may derive from defending his (very unfounded and wacky, in my opinion) ideals, it is not acceptable to be ushering insults at everyone who thinks different than you.
In case of Congress, one senator was expulsed after being caught with an undeclared 200.000usd crossing from Argentina to Paraguay. And would’nt you know it, it’s the senator elected by Peronism who approved of the “Ley Bases” which allowed the vicepresident to add his vote (in order to break a tie) and pass the law.
Strange.
Well, I think I added enough context. I expect your answer!
Hope you have a great day and thank you for being so respectful and curious about what is happening. We could see things differently, but as long as we can talk about issues and be open about them, we’re on our way to make the world a better place, at least for us.
I know it sounds cheesy, but I believe that most of all this we talked about could have been prevented by people being vocal about their opinions and willing to debate more than just closing up and insulting others.
Salute, it’s been fun to talk about stuff and also i’m getting more information I missed so I thank you for that as well
I’m aware that Job states were practically severed, but I also think Milei has done it the legal way? I’ve seen discussions always pointing towards no-renewal of contracts rather than firing workers outright, if not shutting down entities which if it had followed the law, I think it’s best for Argentina’s people interests since doing that was also something he boasted about in his campaign, it’s bad for the workers of course but in any private environment, assuming the law is followed, would have the same results for any money-bleeding enterprise, again, as he promised to do so they (workers) probably saw it coming even and prepared accordingly
I wasn’t aware of the second usage of the state app, however what you mention about the first one’s message we would need the exact wording, given that wasn’t lying in Argentina’s case it seems and it doesn’t sound like a political attack or propaganda for other things than the hotline
About the economic front I think it’s the first time we collide, in all the discussions, news and analysis I have seen about Milei’s economic effects EVERYTHING I got from it indicated that Dollars were losing value against the Peso, and from Argentines getting paid in Dollars they stated they were becoming poorer, likewise there have been recent news about Brazilians going on vacation to Argentina to find that everything was extremely expensive in Dollars, comparing it to the last year where some said to have things practically gifted… so I am not sure if we’re talking about the same thing here, but all about it seems to compass that the Peso is increasing it’s value, while Salaries don’t increase that’s correct but the worth of them does, and Dollars lose value against the Peso
About his Social Conservativeness, yeah I have seen he has stances on that, I am not sure I about this exactly when, but I think he was asked about his Ideological stance in a recent interview from a British Podcaster (I can’t remember the name of right now but it was recent), and he replied by asking them if they wanted the Personal Answer or the Governmental Agenda one… point is I believe he has it straight to have his personal views out of the government agenda, but we’ll see
Wasn’t the Vice president a woman? but anyway, I guess that’s to be suspected yeah, whatever the case I hope it incentivizes to increase scrutiny bars, it’s very complicated to say it really had a tie to either field since cause and effect really benefit both sides
Hi, sorry that it took me so long to answer this one. Hmmm. I understand your point about the severance, but I need to underscore that even if it’s legal, it does not mean it is the right way to solve the situation. The severances are indiscriminate, not accounting really if the worker is good or not. And are motivated on ideologies much more than efficiency. For example, most of the “chainsaw” as he call his austerity measures, are done on the public healthcare system, public education system, and such. He is even withdrawing funding from Memory Sites (places where the 76’ dictatorship executed, tortured, raped, kidnapped the oposition).
But it is not cutting funding from the executive branches, legislative branches or judicial branches of the government, and also is trying to privatize many state-owned companies.
Just like the dictatorship did…
In case of the app thing, well, it is the second time it has done this.
Economically speaking there seems to be stability. Now, how much it will last, I can’t say. People are poorer now than in the last 20 years, prices still are skyhigh in much of the basic goods, at least in my understanding, and salaries have not matched yet the inflation the shock measures released. So workers are still losing economic power. Also, companies have more benefits (mostly not good for workers).
His agenda as I see it is selling the country to the highest bidder, basically. Being a Social Conservative, he just is a apathetic being who does not give a single flying fvck about those who are not in a comfortable position capable of resisting the measures. Nor he cares about upholding the Memory Thruth and Justice legacy we made this 40+ years. Hiis government is mostly composed of ex-neonazis, fascists, orthodox catholics (and surprisingly, orthodox jews in at least a few cases), anti-communist, etc.
The Vice-President is a woman. The daughter of a military men who refused to uphold democracy’s values and apologize for what the government did to the people during the “Dirty War”. A history revisionist who believes that the systematic kidnapping, torture, killing of the oposition, theft of newborns and rape commited by the state thugs, military, police, death squads were warranted in the fight against “subversion” and marxists.
This is my view, at least. Other Argentinians might differ slightly or more with me, and I’am a leftist, so bias might exist as with any other person. What i’m saying is not to discredit my opinion, but to help you grasp where i’m coming from. That is not to say I can’t be wrong.
Hi! Ok. There is a lot to unpack. First of all, thank you for your kind wprds. And for being so interested in the topic.
A year of Milei can be sintetized with “he made impressive economic feats… which were paid for by the working class”.
It is true, inflation is down, prices are more stable, dollars are stable also. He did a lot. I would be praising him if not for the fact that the working class got to, again, pay the bills of the capitalists.
In his campaign, he promised that the " caste", a vague invented group composed of mostly politicians and businessmans, would pay the price of the exonomic shock and also would be on the receiving end of the harsher policoes, if you will. That, however, as many of us in the left knew, wasn’t gonna happen. And it did not. So, the economics part was real, but he lied on the basic premise of his campaign winning argument.
Then, we have the social dimension of his government. And here is worse: he rules by decree instead of by consensus, mischaracterises every politocian or entity that disagrees with him as corrupt, bad,lobbied, communist, socialist, leftist, etc. 1 in 3 protests are repressed by police ilegally (the methods are illegal, properly speaking). He made it easier for his followers to be more violent, regularly demosntrates disdain for LGBT folks, leftists, and so on.
He does not exhibit any apparent understanding of how democracies are supposed to work, with his party bribing congressmans for votes, even when the laws thay propose are unconstitutional. They are also using state mobile apps as propaganda for the government.
It’s 4am here, so sorry if I sound a little all over the place. This is my view. I’d advise to research more on this, via different nws source taht have different editorial lines, as to avoid getting only one point of view of the topics I talked about.
All in all, economic fixes are worth nothing, in my opinion, if the working class gets destroyed and the rich get more and more rich.
Hello there, thanks for getting back, I have also kept some watch through different mediums and I can agree on most terms of your comments, I do think there are some outliers however.
The primary motto of his campaign was to make the caste pay, while I agree the workers have also paid, there have been more movements against said group that have ever been applied in Argentina before, I can remember some law he decreed to take down that State Jobs could be inherited from parents to their children, which was crazy to even think of, which makes me think that part of the promise is on-going rather than broken, if we apply the term without looking at where the caste is from (public state/private enterprise) then he does certainly miss the term on the non-governmental caste
About the economical effects it’s certain it put a hold to it’s imminent doom, but also worker salary increases and tax cuts are only beginning to happen, I remember poverty was first reported half throughout this year to be 57% and reports from the same entity have gone downhill since, while worker Salaries have only began increasing in the past two months, in his most recent speech given on the anniversary of his presidency, he did declare he would take off 90% of the taxes in the foreseeable future, which im inclined to believe given the record, perhaps it’s gonna be better once that takes off
I remember reading some news about that state app Propaganda you mention, it was more specifically aimed at an specific union, the leader of which had been trialed for threatening workers to strike under his force group or to be left without benefits. Under these circumstances I don’t believe it was used as Propaganda, since the message indicated that if you were being threatened, you could call the hotline to denounce it, again given the circumstances, Argentina had all of it’s available public media used for campaign for the Economy Minister back in the elections, so im certain Milei could have used way more if he wanted to make propaganda, this is tame in comparison, maybe it can be acceptable given the justice ruled the union leader guilty of those accusations
You are right he’s been ruling by decree, I do not know about those bribes for congressman, I haven’t seen a report of any kind of that either public or alleged but that’s worrying, in the other hand, the parties being bribed would be as guilty of not enforcing democracy in that case, but for Milei’s decree ruling, I believe it was a tool that was granted to him by the same congress, much like it happened with the previous President during the Pandemic, and statistically Milei has used it far less than him in the same period of time. I would believe his disrespect towards his opponents to be part of the “Cultural War” that he refers to where he has to defend his ideas until the results show up, and then he would let them speak for themselves, given the right I would believe he can tone it down in the future, but we’ll see
Hello there again. I agree with your POVs. But, if you don’t mind, I’d like to clarify. While I agree that he has done some movements in order to decrease state job abuse, he has done it in a way which left 150.000 families without a job. That a lot of people sadly. He also took down a law put in place by Macri’administration to prevent nepotism. Most of the shock has been applied to the working class, the elders, etc. In fact, he lowered the Personal Goods tax, which made the upper class less taxable and re-issued the Gains Tax, with a formula that applied to workers who have “high” salaries.
The app thing, happened twice. First in the instance you mention. A phone line to denounce corruption, bribing and coercion from syndicates and unions was established, yes, but it had nothing to do with the app. The app just launched a message that said to users how the unions aren’t in favor of the working class people and such. If you are interested, I think I have screenshots of it.
On the economic front (which I admit it’s the best partbof his government given the results), yes, estabilization and stopping inflation were achieved, but as I said, through the suffering of the working class. Milei boast about salaries being better in dollars. What I believe he does not say is that not only most people receive the salarys in pesos, but most people didn’t have an inflation adjustement on its salary. So people’s power to consume decreased a lot.
This cultural war thingy he always goes on ramblin’ about it’s more of “ancap meets reality” where he is not so liberal but a social conservative. And those two things don’t go hand in hand at least when we talk about social stuff. Also, while I understand his rethoric and character may derive from defending his (very unfounded and wacky, in my opinion) ideals, it is not acceptable to be ushering insults at everyone who thinks different than you.
In case of Congress, one senator was expulsed after being caught with an undeclared 200.000usd crossing from Argentina to Paraguay. And would’nt you know it, it’s the senator elected by Peronism who approved of the “Ley Bases” which allowed the vicepresident to add his vote (in order to break a tie) and pass the law. Strange.
Well, I think I added enough context. I expect your answer! Hope you have a great day and thank you for being so respectful and curious about what is happening. We could see things differently, but as long as we can talk about issues and be open about them, we’re on our way to make the world a better place, at least for us. I know it sounds cheesy, but I believe that most of all this we talked about could have been prevented by people being vocal about their opinions and willing to debate more than just closing up and insulting others.
Salute, it’s been fun to talk about stuff and also i’m getting more information I missed so I thank you for that as well
I’m aware that Job states were practically severed, but I also think Milei has done it the legal way? I’ve seen discussions always pointing towards no-renewal of contracts rather than firing workers outright, if not shutting down entities which if it had followed the law, I think it’s best for Argentina’s people interests since doing that was also something he boasted about in his campaign, it’s bad for the workers of course but in any private environment, assuming the law is followed, would have the same results for any money-bleeding enterprise, again, as he promised to do so they (workers) probably saw it coming even and prepared accordingly
I wasn’t aware of the second usage of the state app, however what you mention about the first one’s message we would need the exact wording, given that wasn’t lying in Argentina’s case it seems and it doesn’t sound like a political attack or propaganda for other things than the hotline
About the economic front I think it’s the first time we collide, in all the discussions, news and analysis I have seen about Milei’s economic effects EVERYTHING I got from it indicated that Dollars were losing value against the Peso, and from Argentines getting paid in Dollars they stated they were becoming poorer, likewise there have been recent news about Brazilians going on vacation to Argentina to find that everything was extremely expensive in Dollars, comparing it to the last year where some said to have things practically gifted… so I am not sure if we’re talking about the same thing here, but all about it seems to compass that the Peso is increasing it’s value, while Salaries don’t increase that’s correct but the worth of them does, and Dollars lose value against the Peso
About his Social Conservativeness, yeah I have seen he has stances on that, I am not sure I about this exactly when, but I think he was asked about his Ideological stance in a recent interview from a British Podcaster (I can’t remember the name of right now but it was recent), and he replied by asking them if they wanted the Personal Answer or the Governmental Agenda one… point is I believe he has it straight to have his personal views out of the government agenda, but we’ll see
Wasn’t the Vice president a woman? but anyway, I guess that’s to be suspected yeah, whatever the case I hope it incentivizes to increase scrutiny bars, it’s very complicated to say it really had a tie to either field since cause and effect really benefit both sides
Hi, sorry that it took me so long to answer this one. Hmmm. I understand your point about the severance, but I need to underscore that even if it’s legal, it does not mean it is the right way to solve the situation. The severances are indiscriminate, not accounting really if the worker is good or not. And are motivated on ideologies much more than efficiency. For example, most of the “chainsaw” as he call his austerity measures, are done on the public healthcare system, public education system, and such. He is even withdrawing funding from Memory Sites (places where the 76’ dictatorship executed, tortured, raped, kidnapped the oposition). But it is not cutting funding from the executive branches, legislative branches or judicial branches of the government, and also is trying to privatize many state-owned companies. Just like the dictatorship did…
In case of the app thing, well, it is the second time it has done this.
Economically speaking there seems to be stability. Now, how much it will last, I can’t say. People are poorer now than in the last 20 years, prices still are skyhigh in much of the basic goods, at least in my understanding, and salaries have not matched yet the inflation the shock measures released. So workers are still losing economic power. Also, companies have more benefits (mostly not good for workers).
His agenda as I see it is selling the country to the highest bidder, basically. Being a Social Conservative, he just is a apathetic being who does not give a single flying fvck about those who are not in a comfortable position capable of resisting the measures. Nor he cares about upholding the Memory Thruth and Justice legacy we made this 40+ years. Hiis government is mostly composed of ex-neonazis, fascists, orthodox catholics (and surprisingly, orthodox jews in at least a few cases), anti-communist, etc.
The Vice-President is a woman. The daughter of a military men who refused to uphold democracy’s values and apologize for what the government did to the people during the “Dirty War”. A history revisionist who believes that the systematic kidnapping, torture, killing of the oposition, theft of newborns and rape commited by the state thugs, military, police, death squads were warranted in the fight against “subversion” and marxists.
This is my view, at least. Other Argentinians might differ slightly or more with me, and I’am a leftist, so bias might exist as with any other person. What i’m saying is not to discredit my opinion, but to help you grasp where i’m coming from. That is not to say I can’t be wrong.