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qaz to Lord of the memes@midwest.socialEnglish • 3 months ago

Maybe they've always been Mordor

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Maybe they've always been Mordor

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qaz to Lord of the memes@midwest.socialEnglish • 3 months ago
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    9•3 months ago

    It’s pretty disingenuous to act like the US took sole credit, or that Europe didn’t share in the burden of WW2.

    Plus re:world peace - the USA has been involved in 32 wars since WW2 ended, none of them on American soil.

    • @Malek061@lemmy.world
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      1•3 months ago

      Check the numbers. Those are vastly tiny compared to ww1 and ww2. Small policing actions are necessary to keep dictators in line.

      There wouldn’t be a ww2 without Europe. Their faulty treaties and failure to stop dictators led to the conflict. America cleaned it up.

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        3 months ago

        oh yes, the small policing action known as The Cold War that almost ended the human civilization

        • @funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works
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          7•3 months ago

          followed right up with the friendly local copper checking in on Iraq and Afghanistan as a social call

        • @Malek061@lemmy.world
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          1•3 months ago

          When did the United states and the Soviet union fight?

          • @eluvinar@szmer.info
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            6•3 months ago

            1944–1949, 1945–1946, 1946–1954, 1947, 1948–1960, 1950–1953, 1952–1960, 1955–1975, 1954–1955, 1958 (x2), 1960–1996, 1960–1965, 1974–1991, 1962–1970, 1962–1976, 1962–1990, 1963–1967, 1965, 1965–1979, 1965–1983, 1966–1967, 1966–1969, 1966–1990, 1968–1982, 1968–1989, 1968–1989, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1974–2002, 1974–1991, 1975–1999, 1977, 1977–1991, 1978 (alleged involvement of USSR), 1978–1982, 1978–1987, 1979, 1979–1989, 1987–1988, 1989–1991

            • @Malek061@lemmy.world
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              1•3 months ago

              Proxy wars are not declared wars. There is a difference. Like millions of dead difference.

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        8•3 months ago

        Does Vietnam fall under “small policing actions that are necessary to keep dictators in line?”

        • @Malek061@lemmy.world
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          1•3 months ago

          Yes. Extremely low casualty rate compared to ww2.

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            8•3 months ago

            K bud.

            • @Malek061@lemmy.world
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              1•3 months ago

              Have you seen the numbers or are you throwing an opinion out there?

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                6•3 months ago

                The numbers are irrelevant. Just because WWII was so deadly doesn’t mean you should trivialize Vietnam and other conflicts. It’s ridiculous to call it a “small policing action to keep dictators in line” when over a million people were murdered in a war of aggression, propping up a dictator against a popular movement.

                • @Malek061@lemmy.world
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                  1•3 months ago

                  So war is not measured by casualties. Got it. 58,000 americans died over ten years.

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                    Of course, only the Americans matter, right? Let’s focus on those poor soldiers who went off to another continent to massacre villagers and sometimes got shot, and completely ignore the million villagers who were massacred and had napalm and agent orange dropped on them.

                    But it’s fine! The Nazis killed more civilians, so, you know, from then on literally nothing less than the Holocaust ever matters, right?

                    That’s the real meaning of “Pax Americana” right there. The US will come to your country and slaughter people en masse and leave it in rubble using chemical weapons that last for generations, and then they won’t even recognize it as a significant conflict because it was primarily your people who died, and only Americans register as human to them. Perhaps later they’ll come by to film a movie about how killing you made them feel sad.

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