Perhaps shockingly to you, being against genocide doesn’t make you a hero. Jeffrey Dahmer was presumably against the Holocaust. He’s not going down in history as a hero.
The Houthis have been committing war crimes for years before Oct 7th. They’re not some freedom fighter group that popped up in 2023 only doing bad things to serve their greater goal of stopping Israeli genocide.
That’s my entire point, they’re not heroes just because you agree with their stance on Israel. I hope you don’t agree with their stance on torture and child murder. You are against indiscriminate bombings of civilians when Israel does it, surely you’re opposed to it when the Houthis do it.
Two organizations who disagree with each other can both be bad.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. We all agree that they are doing their trading vessel attacks because they are against Israeli war crimes. Sure that is undeniable, but that’s not what is at question. The Houthis do a lot of other stuff, inclusive of their own war crimes. So they’re not good guys, they’re not heroes, they’re not a single issue group that only exists to stop Israel.
If Vermont Independents were killing civilians and he stayed in the group I would denounce Bernie Sanders yes. I am not denouncing the entire country of Yemen.
You don’t get to pick conflict-by-conflict. “Going down in history as heroes” is about the totality of human action.
Bro do you know what the Houthis have been doing for years in Yemen? You do know that there is one of the worst wars in the world going on there, in Yemen?
This is not a heroic group in any way. They are doing the whole “fighting against Israel” thing for their image and because their followers demand it.
for their image and because their followers demand it.
This comment is not intended to place a moral judgement on the Houthis one way or another, but isn’t this the primary justification most organizations do most things? I doesn’t really seem like a bad reason…
I was just pointing out that their reason is not because they are a “heroic group”. Ansar Allah is a violent suppressive group.
The UN report on the group says that “Children as young as 13 have been arrested for “indecent acts” for alleged homosexual orientation or “political cases” when their families do not comply with Houthi ideology or regulations. Minors share cells with adult prisoners, and according to unspecified reports that the Panel has deemed “credible”, boys held in Al-Shahid Al-Ahmar police station in Sana’a are systematically raped.” Source pdf Aside from the Panel of Experts, London-based Arabic newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat alleges that Ansar Allah have revived slavery in Yemen. Source
He’s giving you the rationale for why the US government is blowing shit up. He didn’t say he agreed with it, and he didn’t say it was right. The Suez Canalis an artificial sea-level waterway in Egypt, connecting the Mediterranean Sea to the Red Sea through the Isthmus of Suez and dividing Africa and Asia (and by extension, the Sinai Peninsula from the rest of Egypt). The 193.30-kilometre-long (120.11 mi) canal is a key trade route between Europe and Asia. The attacks the Houthis carry out disrupt trade. This is making our corporate overlords lose money. Since the US government is just a puppet for corporate interests, yeah, the corporate overlords are letting the US military dogs loose on the Houthis. The corporate overlords and US government don’t give a shit about civilians dying via collateral damage.
Because the houthis are raiding merchant ships
Who are the ships supplying? And why are they firing on them? What’s the stated reason for the blockade?
The answers to these questions demonstrate why the Signal story is so important.
Don’t think it matters who is being supplied. Merchant ships are targets of opportunity
It doesn’t matter who is being supplied? If a ship was supplying the Nazis in WW2, wouldn’t that be relevant to its being targeted?
No it doesn’t matter.
Like 60% of the ships passing through the Red Sea go to European ports from Asian countries like China, India, Vietnam, Japan and South Korea.
They stopped all raiding when Israel agreed to a cease fire and they only resumed it when Israel resumed their genocide.
History books will likely see the Houthis as a heroic group that fought against genocide.
I was almost with you on this one. Just because they’re against the guys you don’t like doesn’t make them heroes.
Framing actual genocide as “guys you don’t like” is so funny to me.
Entirely ignoring the point.
Perhaps shockingly to you, being against genocide doesn’t make you a hero. Jeffrey Dahmer was presumably against the Holocaust. He’s not going down in history as a hero.
Was Dahmer eating people to apply pressure to stop genocide?
Because that’s the equivalent analogy.
The Houthis have been committing war crimes for years before Oct 7th. They’re not some freedom fighter group that popped up in 2023 only doing bad things to serve their greater goal of stopping Israeli genocide.
That’s my entire point, they’re not heroes just because you agree with their stance on Israel. I hope you don’t agree with their stance on torture and child murder. You are against indiscriminate bombings of civilians when Israel does it, surely you’re opposed to it when the Houthis do it.
Two organizations who disagree with each other can both be bad.
Not only is killing armed American/Israeli invaders not a war crime, it’s considered heroic by anyone with a brain. I know, shocking
And you feel the same about their attacks on Yemeni civilians? Also heroic?
His Dahmer analogy was bad.
But a terrible person who can correctly surmise that genocide is bad, is still a terrible person.
“Just because they are stopping a genocide does not make them heroes”
Yes it does.
They are not stopping a genocide.
The stopped when food came into Gaza. At this point it is undeniable.
Everybody congratulate the Houthis for singlehandedly stopping Israel’s attacks.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. We all agree that they are doing their trading vessel attacks because they are against Israeli war crimes. Sure that is undeniable, but that’s not what is at question. The Houthis do a lot of other stuff, inclusive of their own war crimes. So they’re not good guys, they’re not heroes, they’re not a single issue group that only exists to stop Israel.
They’re also not stopping the genocide.
In this genocide they are the good guys.
America does far more war crimes than the Houthis. Are you out there denouncing Bernie Sanders because he is part of America and thus not a good guy?
If Vermont Independents were killing civilians and he stayed in the group I would denounce Bernie Sanders yes. I am not denouncing the entire country of Yemen.
You don’t get to pick conflict-by-conflict. “Going down in history as heroes” is about the totality of human action.
Bro do you know what the Houthis have been doing for years in Yemen? You do know that there is one of the worst wars in the world going on there, in Yemen?
This is not a heroic group in any way. They are doing the whole “fighting against Israel” thing for their image and because their followers demand it.
This comment is not intended to place a moral judgement on the Houthis one way or another, but isn’t this the primary justification most organizations do most things? I doesn’t really seem like a bad reason…
I guess you’re right.
I was just pointing out that their reason is not because they are a “heroic group”. Ansar Allah is a violent suppressive group.
The UN report on the group says that “Children as young as 13 have been arrested for “indecent acts” for alleged homosexual orientation or “political cases” when their families do not comply with Houthi ideology or regulations. Minors share cells with adult prisoners, and according to unspecified reports that the Panel has deemed “credible”, boys held in Al-Shahid Al-Ahmar police station in Sana’a are systematically raped.” Source pdf Aside from the Panel of Experts, London-based Arabic newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat alleges that Ansar Allah have revived slavery in Yemen. Source
Uncritically propegating Saudi propaganda (Saudis which actually revived the slave market by the way) to blame the people being genocided.
I hope you are simply misinformed.
I am quoting an UN report. I have no idea whether that UN report is well informed or maybe was influenced by propaganda.
The UN report calling the Saudi backed insurgency the “Yemeni government” gives away a lot.
Someone made a good video on it recently. https://youtu.be/W2I9IaMUsa0
Fighting the American backed Saudi genocide.
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He’s giving you the rationale for why the US government is blowing shit up. He didn’t say he agreed with it, and he didn’t say it was right. The Suez Canalis an artificial sea-level waterway in Egypt, connecting the Mediterranean Sea to the Red Sea through the Isthmus of Suez and dividing Africa and Asia (and by extension, the Sinai Peninsula from the rest of Egypt). The 193.30-kilometre-long (120.11 mi) canal is a key trade route between Europe and Asia. The attacks the Houthis carry out disrupt trade. This is making our corporate overlords lose money. Since the US government is just a puppet for corporate interests, yeah, the corporate overlords are letting the US military dogs loose on the Houthis. The corporate overlords and US government don’t give a shit about civilians dying via collateral damage.
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And killing innocent people who have nothing to do with any conflict
Good on them for being one of the very few groups on earth actively opposing the ongoing genocide.