“I have no math talent, but that’s ok I’ll use a tool to help”
What tools do you need to replace “math talent”? If you’re talking about calculators - first of all they’re for arithmetic, not math - and second they still do not help you to “solve math problems”. You need logic, experience and intellect to do that. The only “tool” thag can help you is an online forum if someone already solved it.
“I can’t code so I’ll use a web page maker to help”
You still need to do stuff, think with your brain and spend time to build the web page. You need to have taste and work your sweat (and some tears) into it.
“Hey AI, break this concept down for me to help me learn it”
No, not good unless you want to be misinformed and/or manipulated
society melts down because…?
Because the massive group of people were screwd over without their consent to make a tool that going to devalue their work. If you look closely on the examples you yourself provided, you can see that they all respect copyright of others and are themselves often a good and productive work. Ai on the other hand were made “at the expense” of us, and we are rightfully mad.
Yes, copyright owners, but not the rights of the creator. Mathematical research is part of the publishing industry, and that strips the rights from creators of such works. Their work is mislabelled discovery, and no protection offered.
That lovely tool you use to make a website? Yeah, £10 says there is open source code misappropriated there (much as AI generated code is pirated from GitHub, a lot of programs “borrow” code).
Surely the mathematician and coder have equal claims to anger? It is their works being stolen too?
The people who advanced mathematical research got their glory and pride and the attention of peers. All of them get credited in the names of their own equations and theorems. Also, they all got paid.
If the company is atleast somewhat creditable, it’s easier for them to license code properly. Besides, many open source code are licensed under MIT which permits fair use.
You never get the name of artist from the generated piece, even if it’s a one-to-one copy of their art.
I’ll pause you right there - I am a mathematical researcher by trade. We don’t get paid, or glory, pride or much attention XD
Trust me when I say, unlike in art, the folks who put in the legwork in mathematics tend to toil in obscurity. We don’t much mind it, the pay isn’t great but it does pay the bills.
I’ll leave this thread with a thought - since I think we’re a little too far apart on opinion to bridge the gap. All fields require creativity, not all forms of creativity are equally rewarded, and therein lies the true root of the AI crisis.
Never used a computer algebra system? Like wolfram mathematica or sage math or maple? Then we have proof assisting software like coq and smt solvers like cvc5 or Z3.
This is all software that can solve real math problems in an easy way.
What tools to to replace math work besides calculator?
Mathematica is one example that solves integrals and do some elementary proof run-down for you.
Granted that it is used mostly by STEM students. But I rarelly see someone totally forbiding the use of Mathematica as learning tool.
If you want a more High-school tool, then geogebra is another great example (and also opensource.
Pretty useful to plot the graphs and help you see what you’re getting wrong.
I’m answering just to show that there are indeed mathematical tools used for the inbetween of a full math major and a “paltry peasant” that only needs to compute a good enough function for his problem be it an engineer working beams load, a chemist working enthalpy reactions or an biologist trying to find an EDO that best fits the data of prey/predator in a given ecosystem.
What tools do you need to replace “math talent”? If you’re talking about calculators - first of all they’re for arithmetic, not math - and second they still do not help you to “solve math problems”. You need logic, experience and intellect to do that. The only “tool” thag can help you is an online forum if someone already solved it.
You still need to do stuff, think with your brain and spend time to build the web page. You need to have taste and work your sweat (and some tears) into it.
No, not good unless you want to be misinformed and/or manipulated
Because the massive group of people were screwd over without their consent to make a tool that going to devalue their work. If you look closely on the examples you yourself provided, you can see that they all respect copyright of others and are themselves often a good and productive work. Ai on the other hand were made “at the expense” of us, and we are rightfully mad.
Oh dear…
Yes, copyright owners, but not the rights of the creator. Mathematical research is part of the publishing industry, and that strips the rights from creators of such works. Their work is mislabelled discovery, and no protection offered.
That lovely tool you use to make a website? Yeah, £10 says there is open source code misappropriated there (much as AI generated code is pirated from GitHub, a lot of programs “borrow” code).
Surely the mathematician and coder have equal claims to anger? It is their works being stolen too?
The people who advanced mathematical research got their glory and pride and the attention of peers. All of them get credited in the names of their own equations and theorems. Also, they all got paid.
If the company is atleast somewhat creditable, it’s easier for them to license code properly. Besides, many open source code are licensed under MIT which permits fair use.
You never get the name of artist from the generated piece, even if it’s a one-to-one copy of their art.
I’ll pause you right there - I am a mathematical researcher by trade. We don’t get paid, or glory, pride or much attention XD
Trust me when I say, unlike in art, the folks who put in the legwork in mathematics tend to toil in obscurity. We don’t much mind it, the pay isn’t great but it does pay the bills.
I’ll leave this thread with a thought - since I think we’re a little too far apart on opinion to bridge the gap. All fields require creativity, not all forms of creativity are equally rewarded, and therein lies the true root of the AI crisis.
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Never used a computer algebra system? Like wolfram mathematica or sage math or maple? Then we have proof assisting software like coq and smt solvers like cvc5 or Z3.
This is all software that can solve real math problems in an easy way.
What tools to to replace math work besides calculator?
Mathematica is one example that solves integrals and do some elementary proof run-down for you.
Granted that it is used mostly by STEM students. But I rarelly see someone totally forbiding the use of Mathematica as learning tool.
If you want a more High-school tool, then geogebra is another great example (and also opensource.
Pretty useful to plot the graphs and help you see what you’re getting wrong.
I’m answering just to show that there are indeed mathematical tools used for the inbetween of a full math major and a “paltry peasant” that only needs to compute a good enough function for his problem be it an engineer working beams load, a chemist working enthalpy reactions or an biologist trying to find an EDO that best fits the data of prey/predator in a given ecosystem.
I can’t believe I have to say it on Lemmy of all places but fuck copyright.