• @tal@lemmy.today
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      Derives from ricing cars. Ricing cars derives from “rice burner”, where it was common to take an inexpensive, Asian-made car for modding. The pejorative nature kind of got lost somewhere along the way.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_burner

      Rice burner is a pejorative term originally applied to Japanese motorcycles and which later expanded to include Japanese cars or any East Asian-made vehicles.[2][3][4][5] Variations include rice rocket, referring most often to Japanese superbikes, rice machine, rice grinder or simply ricer.[3][6][7]

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      T-Mobile’s 1985 Corolla Sport GT-S coupé “Poser Mobile” advertisements exploited ethnic stereotypes and stereotypes of customized East Asian cars as failed imitations of “authentic” car culture

      Riced out is an adjective denigrating a badly customized sports car, “usually with oversized or ill-matched exterior appointments”.[8] Rice boy is a US derogatory term for the driver or builder of an import-car hot rod.[4] The terms may disparage cars or car enthusiasts as imposters or wanna-bes, using cheap modifications to imitate the appearance of high performance.

      • @Zozano@aussie.zone
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        “The pejorative nature kind of got lost somewhere along the way.”

        Not according to some, who I’m surprised havent descended into this comment section yet.

        It genuinely amazes me that some people learn of a racist origin and immediately crusade against it, on behalf of people who dont give a fuck.

        Words change. When the majority of people are using a phrase in a benign manner, then dragging the racist origins back into the light is a really dumb way to fight against bigotry.

        Guilt tripping people into adapting new phrasing isn’t just arrogant and patronizing; it’s counterproductive - it makes the actual fight against racism seem petty and performative.

        • on behalf of people who dont give a fuck.

          Maybe. Or maybe they’re afraid to speak up because of how they’ll be punished by the system. Only time really tells, and sometimes that means complaining about stupid shit no one cares about.

          I’d rather look stupid a few times, but make sure that I’m giving voice to those who don’t have it, than keep quiet and never be wrong.

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            You’re erring on the side of caution, and I get the impulse. But there’s a fine line between giving voice to the unheard and drowning out the current conversation by crusading on their behalf without actually checking whether they wanted a champion in the first place.

            Language isn’t static, and if people who would’ve been the target of a slur no longer feel targeted by a modern, benign use of the word, maybe it’s worth listening to them instead of getting stuck in etymological guilt.

            This is essentially justification for tone policing, language gate keeping, or inventing offenses that marginalized groups themselves aren’t actually calling out.

            Campaigning on their behalf looks less like allyship and more like self-importance wrapped in a savior complex.

            • @surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
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              Yeah, I think we’re just talking from both sides of the grey area. But you’re right, it’s simply someplace in the middle.

        • @Shanmugha@lemmy.world
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          We really need more people like you. That’s exactly what annoyed me so very much, but I could not articulate this thought. Thank you for doing so :)

        • @Montagge@lemmy.zip
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          But have you never thought you should get to say slurs because you’ve decided the the target group of that slur no longer cares?

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          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_Dutch

          Going Dutch” (sometimes written with lower-case dutch) is a term that indicates that each person participating in a paid activity covers their own expenses, rather than any one person in the group defraying the cost for the entire group. The term stems from restaurant dining etiquette in the Western world, where each person pays for their meal. It is also called Dutch date, Dutch treat (the oldest form, a pejorative),[1] and doing Dutch.

          The Oxford English Dictionary connects “go Dutch” / “Dutch treat” to other phrases which have “an opprobrious or derisive application, largely due to the rivalry and enmity between the English and Dutch in the 17th century”, the period of the Anglo-Dutch Wars. Another example is “Dutch courage”.[1] A term bearing some similarities is Dutch oven.

          We’ve got some other terms in the same vein.

            • @skarn@discuss.tchncs.de
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              Not really. I lived in the Netherlands for a decade. I can promise you the Dutch don’t mind.

              Actually, I think the expression “doing Dutch” fits them pretty well to this day.