• DessertStorms
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      I wish I had the patience to go and post this in reply to every tankie I’ve seen today defending the “honour” of this piece of shit in the name of Iranians who they’ve convinced themselves they can speak for (yet somehow never speak up for their best interests, only in defence of their “great leaders” interests, curious… 🤔🙄).

      • @Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml
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        Yeah, western tankies especially can be very weird. Meanwhile, the actual communist party of Iran has nothing good to say about him.

        Quote:

        The only regret of the people of Iran and the families of the survivors of the horrific crimes committed by the mercenaries of reaction and tyranny, over the death of Ebrahim Raisi, is that the opportunity for his historic trial in the not-too-distant future has been lost.

        • DessertStorms
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          western tankies especially can be very weird

          Right, and they call anyone who disagrees with them, even actual communists, “McCarthyists” 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

          Seriously though, anyone who sees any reason whatsoever for communists to support the Iranian government mustn’t have a single fucking clue what communism is about… They’re a fucking joke (if only they didn’t go around giving leftists such a bad name)…

          That’s a fantastic, and not at all surprising piece of information though, thanks for sharing!

        • @Blackmist@feddit.uk
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          It should be noted that the Tudeh party has it’s HQ in Europe, hence them being all Bertie Big Bollocks about this news. They are banned in Iran.

          The communists also helped overthrow the CIA puppet regime in the first place, which seems to have helped them not one jot.

      • PorkSoda
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        47 months ago

        What’s a tankie? I keep seeing that term on Lemmy and nowhere else. I feel like I should know it by now.

        • DessertStorms
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          Tankies are people who claim to be communists, but who exclusively support authoritarians and their oppressive regimes, past and present, because these authoritarians call themselves communists (think believing Nazis were socialists because it was in their party name), even though their actions have nothing at all to do with communism, and fascists co-opting leftist language to gain power being a well documented phenomenon.

          It’s pretty easy to tell really: if a project is/was stateless, classless, and moneyless - congratulations, it’s almost certainly communism, and those who support it are communists (or possibly one of several varieties of anarchist, like myself).

          However if one or any of those conditions aren’t met, and/or there is a single dictator or a small group of cronies holding on to power claiming they’ve been met, but the reality is clearly different - congratulations, you basically have run of the mill fascism on your hands and those who support it are tankies (who, as I pointed out in OP, almost always speak up and in defence of a “dear leader” but never in defence of the people themselves, because all they care about is the regime, not the people living under it).

          In the case of the fediverse, there are a couple of dedicated instances almost exclusively occupied by tankies, who have made it their goal to essentially troll and brigade anyone who doesn’t agree with their, frankly bizarre, views (calling it “dialectics” to make themselves feel better). They’re generally easy to avoid though, by blocking individuals, or their entire instance.

            • DessertStorms
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              No problem, glad I could help.

              Just to add, pelespirit is more or less right about the origin of the word, you can read more on the wiki

          • @lightnegative@lemmy.world
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            17 months ago

            So would someone who thinks North Korea is a democracy because it’s in the name, “Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea” be a Tankie?

        • @pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
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          From what I’ve been told, it originally was communist countries that use tanks against their people (like Tienanmen Square). It’s getting muddled by the countries that use tanks against their people, so I don’t know what it has become.

        • @schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
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          To my understanding this means historically a western communist who supported the USSR’s interventions (with tanks, hence the name) in Eastern European countries (Hungary, Czechoslovakia, maybe also East Germany) when the Warsaw Pact was a thing. More broadly someone who thinks the Soviet Union was a good regime.

    • @InfiniteWisdom@sh.itjust.works
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      This is the one time the onion has done something even a remote shred of clever. To tie into the topic of the article, I once stoned to death my pet goldfish after he was showing signs of age and that was more clever than anything that the onion has done in their near-36 year span of creating misinformation, or anything the veterinary clinic could’ve told me to do otherwise.

      • @Shampiss@sh.itjust.works
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        27 months ago

        Hey man. It looks like you have some built up angst towards The Onion or towards this topic

        It’s fine if you’re just letting some emotions out, but I just want to point out that the Onion is not trying to inform anyone. How can they spread misinformation if every article is clearly satire?

        You may find it to be a terrible joke but I don’t get why this has caused you this much stress

        Would you care to elaborate?

      • @Darkenfolk
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        You are aware that the onion is a satire piece and that they shouldn’t be taken serious?

      • @trafficnab@lemmy.ca
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        167 months ago

        I remember the Taliban bitching that all the materiel (helicopters, humvees, etc) the US left behind at the airport had had grenades detonated in their engine compartments

  • Ech
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    617 months ago

    I’ve found a lot of Onion headlines pretty mid and uninspired recently, but this one is aces. No notes.

  • @Etterra@lemmy.world
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    387 months ago

    I saw the crash site in an aerial photograph and it looks like a big scorch mark. As if the devil reached a burning hand up out of the ground to personally invite them all down to their final destination.

  • Alaskaball [comrade/them]
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    Actually, Iranian courts put a moratorium on stoning to death over 20 years ago, and the practice is still legal in American-allied Saudi Arabia.

    • @NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
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      He was an evil bastard who was second in command of a regime full of human rights abuse that meddles in and disrupts the entire region on a scale that previously required associating with a British monarch. To the point that there is a lot of footage of the people of Iran cheering in the streets.

      Fuck 'em.

          • MoreAmphibians [none/use name]
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            Here is some “propaganda” for you to refute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Iran

            Following the pro-Shah coup d’état that overthrew the Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in 1953, the Shah again cracked down on his opponents, and political freedom waned. He outlawed Mosaddegh’s political group the National Front, and arrested most of its leaders.[13] Over 4000 political activists of the Tudeh party were arrested,[14] (including 477 in the armed forces), forty were executed, another 14 died under torture and over 200 were sentenced to life imprisonment.[13][15][16]

            During the height of its power, the shah’s secret police SAVAK had virtually unlimited powers. The agency closely collaborated with the CIA.[17]

            According to Amnesty International’s Annual Report for 1974–1975 “the total number of political prisoners has been reported at times throughout the year [1975] to be anything from 25,000 to 100,000.”[18]

            Wow, that is super fucked up. I hope somebody overthrows the Shah.

        • @ladicius@lemmy.world
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          497 months ago

          Wanna ask Mahsa Amini about that? Oh, you can’t because she got killed for not covering her hair?

          Brutal, isn’t it?

        • LeadersAtWork
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          157 months ago

          Decided to glance into your comment history and phew, you are one angry little individual.

          BUT maybe you have your reasons, many of us do. However, it’s important to be angry for the right reasons, at the right people.

        • @Belastend@lemmy.world
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          57 months ago

          Awww, are you sad the butcher of tehran finally met his end? Have you ever talked to any Iranian about the IRR?

      • @SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net
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        227 months ago

        that meddles in and disrupts the entire region

        Are you talking about America? Because in every single instance Iran has been the stabilizing force, providing arms and training to local militias in order to defend themselves against America-backed threats including ISIS, the Saudis, and the IOF.

      • @Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        77 months ago

        Thank you for that bespoke political/historical burn, that just made my day

        meddles in and disrupts the entire region on a scale that previously required associating with a British monarch.

      • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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        To the point that there is a lot of footage of the people of Iran cheering in the streets.

        we’re really doing this propaganda again? can we please get more interesting stuff than the “my people yearn for freedom from this tyrant”?

        • pressurized [none/use name]
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          if there was any consistency to zizek and other “psychoanalysts” they would come up with a convoluted explanation for the psychological condition that causes leftists (hopefully meaning people interested in decolonization and antiimperialism) to delude themselves into thinking zizek and the onion are on their side, but not the leaders of the few countries in the world supporting the palestinian struggle for liberation

          perhaps you don’t believe there is any revolutionary potential in iran and it’s better off a crumpled up state like libya, where pure leftism can finally emerge from the ashes. i like seeing people slosh around from third worldism to anarchism and other stuff searching for an explanation of why they found a based way to agree with neocons so i’d love to hear it

    • @YeetPics@mander.xyz
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      227 months ago

      poor taste like ‘killing off your political opposition’ poor taste or like ‘plaid with stripes’ poor taste?

  • Aatube
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    And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned

    🧐

  • @niktemadur@lemmy.world
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    107 months ago

    Will the zealots and their goons consider this a message from Allah, that their ways might be wrong?
    Nah!