some projects/ideas i found in the last couple of years, that try to solve our current problem of the internet being a centralized structure that is controllable by big corporations or governments and not so easily usable with mesh technology or when not being connected for long amounts of time

https://scuttlebutt.nz/docs/introduction/

https://ipfs.tech/#why

https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/

https://www.inverse.com/science/39507-mesh-networks-net-neutrality-fcc

https://zeronet.io/

https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/zaibatsu.circumlunar.space/~solderpunk/gemlog/low-budget-p2p-content-distribution-with-git.gmi

https://geti2p.net/en/

https://redecentralize.github.io/alternative-internet/

https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns

https://netsukuku.freaknet.org/

https://hyperboria.net/

https://urbit.org/

https://agregore.mauve.moe/

https://www.hyphanet.org/

http://libertreeproject.org/

    • @imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
      11•11 months ago

      I’ve heard they tend to harbor a lot of alt-right types. Possibly because users can’t really get banned. Is that true?

    • Alphane MoonEnglish
      7•11 months ago

      Associating with crypto-fraud is a hard no for many users (I am referring to Nostro which was developed by a crypto-bro).

        • Alphane MoonEnglish
          6•11 months ago

          Lightning is a terrible protocol. The Lightning devs themselves state that it’s basically unusable and you shouldn’t even try sending transactions valued more than a few hundred dollars. If you’re bored, check out the history of Lightning; it’s almost like a satire of software development project.

          You’re also being a little disingenuous about the nature of Nostr and it’s relatioship to crypto.

          The “market cap” polemic is a piece of propaganda. If you tried selling all that bitcoin, the price would tank and you would see exponential declines in the “market cap”.

          • chebra
            3•11 months ago

            @Alphane_Moon @makeasnek

            > you shouldn’t even try sending transactions valued more than a few hundred dollars

            this is true about all of the alternatives too, Lightning is just the only one honest about it. And as someone who’s been using lightning to pay my phone bills, I can say it works ok.

            • Alphane MoonEnglish
              4•11 months ago

              You don’t see the problem with a payment system that is fundamentally unreliable?

              Why would you pay your phone bills with lightning? I don’t know which country you live in, but where I lived there are so many easier methods to pay your phone bills.

              • chebra
                1•11 months ago

                @Alphane_Moon You are the one saying it’s unreliable but also you are not using it. Here is someone using it and saying it is reliable ok. Go figure.

                • Alphane MoonEnglish
                  4•11 months ago

                  Why would I use a payment system that developers themselves call unreliable? Are you serious?

                  I am not even talking about overall usability (i.e. recipient support) and UX/UI…

            • Alphane MoonEnglish
              3•11 months ago

              All the individuals you mentioned made their contributions and statements under their real names.

              The Tor team largely publishes their work under their real names:

              https://www.torproject.org/about/people/

              They even have a board of directors:

              https://blog.torproject.org/announcing-new-board-members/

              Has the lead Nostro developer mentioned anything about his support for Olavo de Carvalho (the claim that “Pepsi-Cola was flavored with stem cells of aborted fetuses” is particularly wild)? I will note Stallman, Linus have provided feedback to public criticism of their statements/approaches.

              The Lemmy tankie issue is definitely a major problem.

        • fernandu00
          3•11 months ago

          Yeah, if they used monero instead of lightning would be a better option for the user. Not a lightning fan. Layer 2 solutions seems a waste of time and money for me, lightning included…but well, that’s the result of the blocksize war.

            • fernandu00
              4•11 months ago

              Yeah you’re probably right about that, I’m no expert and this make a lot of sense …I hope to see XMR face this transaction load issue…that would mean more people using it

      • @PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world
        5•11 months ago

        i don’t trust it because it is very big on the design meaning to be “censorship resistant” and there are certain kinds of posts that people make that probably should be censored, and while i like that some tools exist to make pseudononymous, censorship-resistant communications possible (tor and i2p are good. freenet is fine imho), this one looks like a grift that has a neon sign saying “censorship resistant”… and i am sure that associating with those people will lead to encountering some of that material that probably should be censored.

    • @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml
      4•11 months ago

      We have a lot of projects like that. Too much for anything to go mainstream actually. We need to focus on one or a few so we have higher chance of popularizing it

    • @Julian_1_2_3_4_5@slrpnk.netOP
      2•11 months ago

      the problem i see with nostr is that it implements a bunch of pro-cryptocurrency ideas: like paying to use relays for example and with all the sustainability issues regarding crypto and us wanting to create a better network, i would like to leave money out of it

    • Alphane MoonEnglish
      6•11 months ago

      It is an excellent concept. I wish there was a more common “killer service/use case”, something like a imagehost but without all the bullshit and corporate changes (like the recent issues with imgur).

  • Alphane Moon
    5•11 months ago

    Anyone have any experience with yggdrasil, particularly in context of remote access to self-hosted services?

    • @vort3@lemmy.ml
      5•11 months ago

      It just works. You install yggdrasil on all your devices that support ipv6, you write down ipv6 of all devices you want to connect to, you type the ygg ipv6 and connect, as long as ports are open.

      • Alphane MoonEnglish
        2•11 months ago

        Good to hear. I am very cautious about remote access and yggdrasil seemed like the perfect solution.

        I do remember IPv6 being a pain point, by provider then (2018) didn’t support it. My current ISP is planning to add IPv6 support, but still isn’t there yet. :(

        While development seems to be strong, their website and documentation is also still lacking.

        • @vort3@lemmy.ml
          3•11 months ago

          You don’t need to have ipv6 support by your provider, it’s ipv6 over ipv4. You only need your hardware (phones, laptops) and software (OS, servers, clients) to support ipv6.

          I use it to play LAN games with my friend from other country, kind of like Hamachi, but FOSS.

    • @Julian_1_2_3_4_5@slrpnk.netOP
      3•11 months ago

      I’m kinda sad that theres almost no new work being made on top of it, seems even more promising than yggdrasil in some aspects