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Meta announced that users on Threads will be able to see fediverse replies on other posts besides their own. In addition, posts that originated through the Threads API, like those created via third-party apps and scheduling services, will now be syndicated to the fediverse.
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Great.
I joined the Fediverse to escape Facebook’s toxic interpretation of communities, so Facebook is coming to the Fediverse instead.
Just great…You should just join an instance that blocks threads.net. Fortunately there are many of such instances. Your current instance doesn’t seem to defederate any other instance, which is kind of suspect on its own.
SDF is a very hands-off instance. I’ve seen many trolls in bad actors on there. It also has some management issues since it can go down for long periods of time.
The only reason I have an account there and the only reason I would encourage anyone to use it is because it’s run by the SDF foundation and it will probably be around forever. Well at least as long SDF itself.
Blocking everyone and every community you see from Facebook’s new parasite social media could be good, me thinks.
@Auster@lemm.ee You can just use an instance that is defederated from them, that’s the beauty of the Fediverse
According to https://lemm.ee/instances your instance already blocks them for example
@ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org
can’t you selectively block entire instances? you can in Boost
It’s not just a matter of blocking Threads users.
Facebook is coming on here to slurp up data I don’t want them to have, and enriching their own Threads ecosystem with Fediverse content they haven’t lifted a finger to create.
Not to mention, when Threads users are able to fully interact in the Fediverse, do you really want that particular bunch to create noise in your communities? I don’t. There’s a reason why I avoid Facebook in all its forms.
Uh… this fediverse stuff is all on the public internet. Facebook could be slurping it up just as easily without joining at all.
It doesn’t matter. People will never understand the difference between the open web and walled gardens.
People say they want freedom, but in reality they want to become little tyrants. We’ve been asking for years to have a level-up playing field, and now that we do these reactionaries are going to find something else about it.
Definitely not as easily and 100% not legally. I actually don’t think they would scrape stuff off of the fediverse like that because that is just a lawsuit waiting. Besides, scraping is really not feasible when it comes to getting information like that.
right but if I block their instance, they can never interact with me and vice versa.
Aw, buddy, cheer up.
Here’s some minions memes doing racist things! I mean, I assume thats what goes on if you’re on facebook.
From the instances I used, it seems to be a mixed bag. Some even allowed for the user to block domains unrelated to the fediverse.
Was commenting more generally, in case there’s someone against Facebook in instances that don’t block them.
And about lemm.ee, although the guy running it is strongly against defederation, I guess Facebook the company is too much even for him. "<.<
There was a vote about it in !meta@lemm.ee : https://lemm.ee/post/851217
I wanted to vote against defederation (edit: i was offline that week or something, I can see I didn’t vote) I liked on this instance that we are treated as adults, and the admin let us decide what we want to see. You can block instances if you want. Defederating with Threads even before we can see how it would work goes against this philosophy.
Afaik there is no way to see anything from threads on lemmy yet, connection with mastodon like services work only, so we are again debating about a not yet existing thing.
If it will work between threads and lemmy I will look for another instance where I can devide what I want to see.
I liked on this instance that we are treated as adults
Having no defederation is not being treated as adults, it’s just a free for all. User-specific blocking is not adequate for stopping bad influences on the fediverse and simply can’t do the same as instance-level defederation.
Preferring no defederation at all is akin to “free speech absolutism” - it asserts that anyone can say anything and anyone else can just choose to not listen individually. But that’s not really a good path for a welcoming and understanding environment.
How can we know?
Check https://fedipact.online for instances that have defederated threads. Good luck! :)
Fedipact needs much more exposure. It’s important to spread this message both because of Facebook’s evil practices, but also that they favor hostile users and have atrocious moderation letting a lot of nasty shit slide that shouldn’t.
Feel free to make a community or find one and link it here! :) i‘ll happily join and put in some work.
Feel free to post about it in !fedigrow@lemm.ee!
I don’t like this rebranding to “open social web” like it was made for them.
Something that is open and free was, by definition, made for everyone. Even the robber barons you hate.
Note: You can’t interact with Threads accounts from Lemmy, but you can interact with Threads accounts from MBin (and maybe PieFed), except if your instance is defederated from them obviously
There’s POTUS account for example @potus@threads.net
Why not Lemmy?
Lemmy doesn’t implement Mastodon (which is the fediverse version of Twitter), only their own Lemmy one (Reddit clone). Kbin and Mbin implement both, as does pyfedi/piefed.
Why does Lemmy not interact with Mastodon if the other two can?
Design choice by the creators.
Am I the only one who thinks that’s a bad choice? The whole point of the fediverse is that all the things are connected.
Lemmy is open source and so anyone who wants to add this functionality is free to do so.
Considering who the original creators of Lemmy are and the controversy over lemmygrad.ml however, I’d say that we dodged a bullet, all things considered.
If you want a thing that tries to integrate with everything, consider pyfedi - in addition to Lemmy and Mastodon they also have code to integrate with pixelfed and probably even more things (I’m still learning about all the integrations that it has).
So I tried to search for pyfedi, and the only things I found are some repos. Not quite sure what to do with that. HOWEVER, a few different repos seemed to list piefed as the thing it do.
So is pyfedi the same as piefed.social ?
I am enjoying the layout of piefed. It’s quite tasty! I hope this is the thing that does the other thing.
But what if I transfer my Lemmy account to Piefed? Will I still be able to create communities on Lemmy.World? Or am I going to just end up with two different accounts, on two different sites, that do 97% the same thing?
Or am I just wrong all around, and pyfedi has nothing to do with piefed, and I’ve stumbled onto a different thing that does the thing that the other thing couldn’t do, but is still connected to, but not in the same way, but still uses the same services?
What happened to Kbin btw? I used to be on there since the start but the page has been broken since a while for me
It was run by one guy who had health issues. So it shut down. Mbin is the main fork now.
Ah I see. Good thing someone continued it tho!
The owner of kbin.social (and creator of kbin incidentally) has been MIA for a few months now, so it’s presumed that it’s over. I haven’t heard of anything concrete regarding the fate of kbin.social or ernest though - unless someone has heard differently, it remains possible that ernest returns in a year or two and brings kbin.social back up.
Edit: I thought that https://kbin.earth/ still existed as an instance still running ernest’s original flavour of kbin (as opposed to its sucessor mbin) but it turns out it has been moved to mbin as per the reply below.
With that, I’m not sure if anyone is still on the original kbin codebase at this point.
This is not true, as of 4 months ago. kbin.earth is running Mbin now.
Because right now the Threads federation is still pretty one sided, the Fediverse users can reply to the Threads posts, but the Threads users can’t see the Fediverse posts, only replies
And with how Lemmy works, you can’t reply to the microblogging accounts, you can’t reply to Mastodon’s posts neither, so you can’t get your replies federated
That doesn’t seem right. I remember responding to a few mastodon threads from lemmy and I was able to see my reply on the other end.
lemmy devs just havent put in the effort, but its clear they are on that path.
Why would I want to interact with people on threads? I’m here for the Lemmy community.
Yep, pyfedi supports Mastodon integration just like mbin.
Not quite as good as Mbin. For example you can’t follow someone on mastodon from PieFed. They can follow you, though.
Do regular Mastodon instances and clients play nicely with Threads?
I’ve been on Mastodon for a while and never seen a Threads user.
On paper it should play well, it appeared as Mastodon would on my Mbin instance. A lot of Mastodon instances have preemptively defederated from Threads though, so you need to shop around.
Or just don’t federate with threads. Embrace, extend, extinguish is a thing
Yea, they play fine, I use Misskey fork as my main instance, and it even supports quotes
Maybe your instance have defederated from them? Also the Fediverse sharing is opt-in in Threads, so like 95% or more Threads users haven’t turned it on, cause they have no idea it exists
Which fork?
Sharkey, but Threads quotes show up in basic Misskey as well
I tried regular misskey but I can’t read Japanese
Understandable, I can’t neither, that’s why I use English-speaking instance
meta has not made using threads very easy for its users. only the technical or high visibility accounts seem to have cared to jump through the necessary hoops.
Do regular Mastodon instances and clients play nicely with Threads?
You can’t connect to Threads using a Mastodon client but you can follow select Threads accounts from the Mastodon instance your client is connected to. Threads is still in what is basically a public beta. That’s why there are currently no ads there either (but they were announced recently).
Boo. Go away Zuck and take your shitty vertical videos with you.
We used to say that people who made vertical videos had Vertical Video Syndrome. It was a terrible time.
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It took around a year for a solo dev (and a couple contributors) to develop a fully federated platform. Why is it taking one of the largest companies on the planet this long to make such tiny changes that are useless anyway.And why are they releasing it like this instead of releasing everything at once?
Because every step of the way, they need a flock of MBAs to figure out the answer to the question “How do we make money off of this?”
I’m rather guessing the other way around. Because they can’t directly extract money from this, they can’t justify to their shareholders to sit down full-time devs. Instead, this is a project solely run by interns and student.
It is a different level of scale, mastodon has about 1 million users spread over a bunch of instances. Threads has over 200 million users on one instance. also due to the network nature of social media the amount of connections and messages sent through those connections can scale exponentially with the amount of users.
Definitely can appreciate the carefulness here. Imagine they just open the floodgates and now some random Mastodon instance on a $5 VPS is getting hammered with millions of activities because they followed an account with millions of followers on Threads, and now it’s federating millions of likes and thousands of posts.
Meta is trying to be a good fediverse participant here. They could just come in and crush the entire fediverse and be like “lol should have gotten beefier servers”.
I’d hope it’s carefulness but it doesn’t seem like it. Facebook should want to destroy fediverse instances (from a business point of view), they are supposed to be a monopoly and the fediverse is their biggest competitor.
Only time will tell. They’ve definitely done their own share of EEE like for a while you could use Facebook Messenger over XMPP then closed it down.
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I am so glad my instance is defederated
same
Amen
I don’t think i’ve ever seen a Threads message in any of my Lemmy / Mastodon feeds. Perhaps I’m not mixing in the right circles?
Your instance likely defederated threads
Threads posts wouldn’t really appear on lemmy unless they deliberately format the post to tag a community. And they wouldn’t be able to see replies either.
I don’t want to see commercial content. I also don’t want others to see it because it will pollute the culture of the Fediverse.
it will help it grow, maybe poisoning it in the process, but grow none the less.
Pretty much like everything else corporations do then!
Fediverse is not super far from original internet idea with the exception of convenient block feature. Let’s hope that’s enough to prevent the sequel.
