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@Dju@lemmy.world to Europe@feddit.orgEnglish • 3 months ago

Europe's population forecast to 2100

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Europe's population forecast to 2100

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@Dju@lemmy.world to Europe@feddit.orgEnglish • 3 months ago
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https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-how-europes-population-will-change-by-2100/

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  • kbal
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    65•3 months ago

    Demographics can tell you a lot about how it will go in 20 or 30 years, but trying to predict what will happen in 75 years — based on trends that have only been in place for a decade — is foolish.

    • poVoqM
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      22•3 months ago

      It’s not like that the creators calling themselves “Visual Capitalist” wasn’t a dead give away that this would be based on foolish assumptions 🙄

      • @Melchior@feddit.org
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        6•3 months ago

        The forecast comes from the United Nations. “Visual Capitalist” just made the graphic.

      • @CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
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        4•3 months ago

        Visual Capitalist makes tons of great infographics, actually. I’m not sure how nobody in this thread has heard of them.

        • @anomnom@sh.itjust.works
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          2•3 months ago

          2 things:

          1. This isn’t a data is beautiful or map enthusiasts community, it’s c/europe.
          2. its not the most memorable name, and has the name capitalist in it, which at this point in our late stage era is a touchy subject at best.
          • federal reverseM
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            3•3 months ago

            fwiw: Info graphics are allowed, as long as they’re sourced.

    • @Obelix@feddit.org
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      8•3 months ago

      And let’s not forget: Europe is literally drowning people who want to live there in the Mediterranean. There will also be refugees coming from whatever happens to the USA right now who want to get out. That map might be based on current population trends, but political events will change everything there.

      • @GenosseFlosse@feddit.org
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        3•3 months ago

        Currently the illegal immigrants won’t get a work or resident permit to support the economy there, and with the the right wing politics in many countries this won’t change anytime soon.

        • @Obelix@feddit.org
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          2•3 months ago

          Let’s be honest: this will change extremely quick when the industry is missing workers. Take a look at Germany - yeah, rampant antimigrant rhetoric, but you can work if you’re there after a while

  • @widerporst@feddit.org
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    50•3 months ago

    Whose idea was it to make the color scale absolute instead of relative to the current population?

    • @idegenszavak@sh.itjust.works
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      9•3 months ago

      On the source there is a table with the percentages, so the creator of the map had that data but they choose to display this nonsense instead:

      https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-how-europes-population-will-change-by-2100/#tablepress-5264_wrapper

      • @CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
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        1•3 months ago

        RIP Andorra.

    • @Windex007@lemmy.world
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      7•3 months ago

      No kidding. That’s like half of Lithuania.

      There is a joke they say sometimes, something along the lines of “ok but just remember if you’re the last to leave remember to turn off the lights”

    • @5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      6•3 months ago

      I love that people are beginning to review cartographic methods, I distrust (and love) cartographers.

  • @riodoro1@lemmy.world
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    21•3 months ago

    Oh noes the ponzi scheme of capitalism will collapse.

    Don’t worry, by 2100 famines will make those numbers look hopeful.

    • @shalafi@lemmy.world
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      6•3 months ago

      Depopulation decreases the tax base of younger people leaving older people with no support.

      If fewer people come to my store and buy goods, I’ll be out of a job. Rinse and repeat.

      These are features of any economic system. You might find this helpful.

      But I’m sure you’ve got some genius way around all that, right? Let’s hear it!

      • @Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
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        4•3 months ago

        Rofl, defending a ponzi like a Madoff lawyer :)

        • @shalafi@lemmy.world
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          3•3 months ago

          You have the economic perception of a petulant 4th grader. Adults are talking here.

          • @Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
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            3•3 months ago

            Double-downing too!

            And no, infinite growth isn’t a prerequisite for all systems, but it def is for the current flavours of globalised capitalism.

      • @Usernume@lemmy.world
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        3•3 months ago

        Make better quality goods but less

  • Björn Tantau
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    18•3 months ago

    Then let’s add climate change to the table and all bets are off.

    • @LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
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      10•3 months ago

      Oh no we won’t be considering that. We’re still pretending that’s just an issue for the polar bears.

    • @Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
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      5•3 months ago

      The water wars and the subsequent great migrations alone, will make those predictors irrelevant, must less the wwiii that will follow.

    • @BearGun@ttrpg.network
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      2•3 months ago

      Yea if we keep going as we are is likely to get REAL cold up in Scandinavia in a few decades, somehow i doubt the population is gonna increase from that.

  • @daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    12•3 months ago

    Brown is good. There are too many people. We need to be less.

    • @splendoruranium@infosec.pub
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      4•3 months ago

      Too many for what? What’s the bottleneck?

      • @daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Resources, living and recreational space, pollution…

        • @splendoruranium@infosec.pub
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          1•3 months ago

          Resources, living and recreational space, pollution

          What’s the maximum capacity for resources, living and recreational space and pollution?

          • @daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            3 billion humans in the world. About 300 million for Europe.

            • @splendoruranium@infosec.pub
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              1•3 months ago

              3 billion humans in the world. About 300 million for Europe.

              How do we calculate that?

    • @skhayfa@lemmy.world
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      deleted by creator

  • @Tiuku@sopuli.xyz
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    9•3 months ago

    “Visual capitalist”, really…?

  • @SplashJackson@lemmy.ca
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    5•3 months ago

    Better start f u c k i n’

    • @Darkenfolk
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      2•3 months ago

      S E C C S

  • @5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    5•3 months ago

    Sure, Swiss is going to increase by exactly 158 POINT 7 Thousand.

    • @jenesaisquoi@feddit.org
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      3•3 months ago

      We’ve been growing at 60k a year or so for decades. Went from 6m to 9m in just 25 years. This graphic misleading as it apparently ignores immigration.

      • @5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        5•3 months ago

        I was referring to the false confidence of forecasting Switzerland to the hundreds.

      • @x00z@lemmy.world
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        4•3 months ago

        It literally says it takes migration into account.

        • @jenesaisquoi@feddit.org
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          1•3 months ago

          Well then it is wildly incorrect

  • @daw@feddit.org
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    3•3 months ago

    And still people don’t realise what a blessing immigration actually is for everybody involved!

  • @banghida@lemm.ee
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    3•3 months ago

    Oof

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