My dude this war in Yemen has been going on for like 10 years. If the idea of bombing Yemen sounds out of left field to you, then you are woefully uninformed.
I had the opportunity to live in Berlin for a year. I made friends with a group of Yemen students. All of these people had friends, family or relatives bombed to death. Over the course of 2 weeks, one person lost 3 relatives to the bombings…
These people were sent to Germany to study and be as far away as possible from the horrors at home. Away from friends, family, everyone.
I was told that after flying to somewhere near Yemen, it would have taken another 16 hours to travel by road to get home. Their parents refused them coming to visit because it was just too dangerous.
I don’t know how they managed to hold their shit together and carry on even as their families were getting bombed back home.
It broke my heart and I felt powerless to even attempt to comfort them. I’m sure they felt a sense of powerlessness that’s beyond anything I could understand at that time.
It’s crazy when you realize, “oh, shit, they’re just people.” I don’t mean it in an insulting way. I had that experience, too. Travel certainly helps. It’s not even necessarily that you don’t believe that before, just maybe that you didn’t know or hadn’t even thought about it, because who can know everything. But then what was previously vague/unfamiliar words in sporadic headlines in the background is suddenly very real and personal, standing in front of you. It’s a gut punch.
I love living in a multicultural place. I think I’ve personally met someone from almost every country on earth.
I realized I very much do, too, as I got older and had more say in the matter, but I didn’t grow up like that.
Me neither. Makes me appreciate it more, I think.
To think, we can have all that right here in the US of A.
Thanks MAGA!
Sounds par for the course in the USA.
People are literally surprised when somebody reads out actual policy which was signed into law and who voted for it.
Because they “didn’t vote for that”. They voted for lesser evil, which includes bombing Yemen for a decade. The spoiler effect is obvious to fellow voters, but incomprehensively arcane to lawyers.
God I fucking wish we voted for the lesser evil.
For the record, in 2014 Yemen began a civil war and the Obama administration backed the GCC intervention into Yemen, fighting against the Houthi revolutionaries, in 2015 alongside the UN Security Council issuing an Arms Embargo on the Houthis. The US support was logistical and intelligence. This has unfortunately continued to this day, although the previous Biden Administration did publicly announce a withdrawal of that support, but continues sale of armaments to Saudi Arabia who leads the GCC due to condemnation of their strikes on civilians. (The Houthis also strike civilians, mind you).
TBH I think maybe a more forceful approach, a direct intervention to establish a governance complete with minimal casualties and to provide welfare, to the situation at the end of Obama’s term or the start of the Trump term might have been better than just pussyfooting around and letting Saudi’s commit the warcrimes instead. Either that or doing nothing at all and allowing them to kill each other all on their lonesome so as to keep our own hands clean.
Another thing I’m not taking into account with this retelling is the whole proxy-war angle wherein Houthis and Saudis gaining support from various outside influences impacts their own allegiances in economic policy and that by not participating it would leave a gap for another world power to establish a different governance in the region that explicitly supports said world power. The whole region is an important economic position for oil and gas as well as shipping between Europe and Asia.
Specifically the war stats when The Houthi Militia pulls out of a coalition government and attacks the capital.
The Houthi Militia are not the innocents in this war. They started it.
Also, the Houthis are being armed by Iran who is financially supported by China in exchange for oil, and I hate China so that’s another negative in my book.
10 years? since 90s more like
What’s your point? The 90s were only 10 years or so ago…
It restarts in 2014. There was a coalition government that the Houthis withdrew from. They started the civil war.
I thought it was like surplus bomb housing country for old USA bombs to retire?
/s
Yeah, just to be clear. One of the targets hit was a residential high rise building. Local authorities are reporting over 50 people killed.
The target was one, alleged, terrorist and the building, according to the Houthi PC small group message log, was the building of the target’s girlfriend.
So, the US just killed at least 50 civilians in order to kill a single target. Just to give you a rough idea of the kind of ‘collateral damage’ that is acceptable.
Kids were killed but the chat leak was funny and that’s what has been the people talk about instead.
Imagine being the poor family, who is stuck living in Yemen because they cannot afford to relocate, whose kid has died by Trump’s bombing. Then all you see in the news about how they joked with emojis in chat killing your kid. “Oh your kid was killed in that emoji airstrike.” Tell me why the fuck you would grow up anything but radicalized.
No one is surprised by America indiscriminately bombing and leaving 150 casualties.
Because the houthis are raiding merchant ships
That’s because anyone who has been paying attention to geopolitics over the last two years knows why the US is bombing Yemen…
They’re bombing the Houthi’s in Yemen because the Houthis have been launching Iranian missiles at ships in the Red Sea since 2023? Including the US navy (don’t touch the boats) and Israel. The houthis are currently holding hostage a number of crews of merchant ships
Houthis are the only international actor acting in open military opposition to the genocide in Gaza. They are doing their best to enforce a shipping blockade pending a cessation of Israeli war crimes. The US obviously wants the genocide to continue, as well as all shipping trade through the area.
Both are really serious problems in their own right, one’s just a little closer to home
For me at this point it’s just a matter of surprise.
I expect the US to bomb everywhere that isn’t Japan, North America, European Union, or Israel
Hell I’m shocked they aren’t throwing bombs at Australia because Elon Musk sent a vaguely worded email that implied it.
The reason why I SEEM to care more about the phones than the bombs, is because “US bombing innocent people? Sounds like a Tuesday… but damn how did we elect someone so incompetent that I find out about the specifics?”
Removed by mod
what a bizarre fucking list. Japan?
Japan and America have a bromance of both going ga-ga over the other’s culture.
For every Avatar The Last Air Bender (American media that pretends to be Japanese), you have a Metal Gear Solid (Japanese media that pretends to be American)
The bombing of Yemen is bipartisan…
Anything to keep israel happy is bipartisan.
Then you wonder why that the case? If they are right now publicly intervening in US politics, what have they done in the past and what leverage do they have over these public figure?
Israel is just a US proxy
You know something’s bad when both of our wreched parties support it.
Because Yemen is ruled by murderous terrorist slavers who attacked us first.
Because
YemenAmerica is ruled by murderous terrorist slavers who attacked us first.Does not even make sense.
The MAGA movement have no care about what the administration does, especially when it comes to non-americans in a country literally none of them coudl identify on a map. But if you show them “look how poorly this bombing was planned and carried out” then maybe they will listen.
Because it is controlled by the Houthis, Islamist terrorists threatening global trade, overthrowing a quasi-friendly government and REINSTITUTING SLAVERY.
The United States government just sold over 200 people, without trial, into slavery in El Salvador. And the US explicitly allows slavery as part of its own prison system. The US has a large number of legal slaves.
I don’t think people understand just how fucking MASSIVE that bullshit is. Any credibility that the US had in human rights is long gone.
What turn is doing is what the original filibusters did prior to the civil war. Basically considering chattel slavery such an important part of their ‘liberty’ ideal that they wanted to spread it to places where slavery had been abolished. Like the carribbean and Central America.
Yes, and how does that justify anything? I don’t understand this logic at all, the US being bad doesn’t make the Houthi slavers good. Slavery is wrong regardless of who does it.
It doesn’t justify anything. What it does do is point out the absurdity of arguing that the Huthis deserved to be bombed due to slavery. If they deserve to be bombed, so do we.
They overthrew Gaddafi when he was the only thing preventing slavery from returning, and the allies of the West now have open slave markets in Libya.
Non sequitur.
The point: they do not give a fuck about slavery. They are in support of it.
I did not say anything about who care about what. My point what that all these professed leftists siding with slavers is bullshit.
“siding with slavers” is supporting people not getting bombed in this instance.
you people are bloodthirsty maniacs who will use the flimsiest of claims to justify your thirst for human suffering.
“They attacked us” is flimsy?
Houthis did not reinstate slavery. The “legitimate” Yemeni government that the Houthis are rebelling against reinstituted slavery
Incorrect. While the ousted government often overlooked slavery due to corruption, the Houthis have expanded as part of their interpretation of the Quran, one shared by other nutbags like Boko Haram and Daesh.
https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/yemen/
I’m sure the pro-genocide us state department wouldn’t lie
Whereas the pro-genocide Houthis are totally beyond reproach.
Why do you assume that the US gov is more trustworthy than the Houthis? After all the horrible shit the US gov has done what will it take for you to stop believing it when it tells you that it’s the good guy and the people it’s fighting are the bad guys.
First of all, the State Department document is just one of a variety of reports detailing the Houthi reintroduction of slavery.
Second of all, the fact you can’t actually attack the contents of the report and solely argue I shouldn’t believe it because you, personally, hate America undermines your argument.
Third, rape and slavery are not pasttimes in America, as they are in Houthi controlled Yemen.
America literally has penal slavery as legal within our constitution.
It’s not because I personally hate America, the US has been helping israel commit a genocide for over a year, apparently that isn’t enough for you to question their statements but it is more than enough for me
From the US State Department report:
Media reports referencing muhamasheen activists noted that while social castes and slavery were abolished in the 1960s, tribal justice systems reinforced historical patterns of discrimination. The most recent estimated number of victims of modern slavery in country remained the 2018 report by Walk Free, an NGO focused on ending modern slavery. Walk Free estimated there were 85,000 victims of modern slavery in the country, or 3.1 percent of the population, but that due to the impossibility of conducting surveys under conflict, data likely underestimated the problem. This broad category included forced labor and debt bondage, human trafficking, and forced and early marriage.
This is the Walk Free report mentioned, it’s referencing modern-day slavery and how vulnerable the population of Yemen is, the main being political instability. That same article shows Saudi Arabia as having over 4 times per capita more modern day slaves.
The only other article that mentions Slavery under the Houthis is Al-Awsat which is a state propaganda newspaper working at the behest of the Saudi Royal Family.
There is no mention of slavery in the 2024 HRW Report Or 2023 Amnesty Report
The Saudi puppet government that did institute slavery are what the Houthis fought and won against, and continue to face a US-Saudi genocide because of it. It’d certainly help to reduce modern day slavery if the entire population of Yemen wasn’t facing a genocide.
Quotes
Guterres put the crisis in stark perspective, emphasizing the near complete lack of security for the Yemeni people. More than 22 million people out of a total population of 28 million are in need of humanitarian aid and protection. Eighteen million people lack reliable access to food; 8.4 million people “do not know how they will obtain their next meal.”
Besides Saudi Arabia, the coalition attacking Yemen includes the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Sudan, Kuwait and Bahrain. Qatar was part of the coalition but is no longer.
Based on the information available to it using open sources, YDP reports that two-thirds of the coalition’s bombing attacks have been against non-military and unknown targets. The coalition isn’t accidentally attacking civilians and civilian infrastructure – it’s doing it deliberately.
The air and naval blockade, in effect since March 2015, “is essentially using the threat of starvation as a bargaining tool and an instrument of war,” according to the UN panel of experts on Yemen.
The coalition’s genocide in Yemen would not be possible without the complicity of the U.S. This has been a bipartisan presidential effort, covering both the Obama and Trump administrations.
U.S. arms are being used to kill Yemenis and destroy their country. In 2016, well after the coalition began its genocidal assault on Yemen, four of the top five recipients of U.S. arms sales were members of the coalition.
The U.S. has also provided the coalition with logistical support, including mid-air refueling, targeting advice and support, intelligence, expedited munitions resupply and maintenance.
As of February 2018, according to the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, the coalition had killed 6,000 people in airstrikes and wounded nearly 10,000 more.
Yet, according to the OHCHR report, these counts are conservative. Tens of thousands of Yemenis have also died from causes related to the war. According to Save the Children, an estimated 85,000 children under five may have died since 2015, with more than 50,000 child deaths in 2017 alone from hunger and related causes.
US complicity in the Saudi-led genocide in Yemen spans Obama, Trump administrations
They’re not threatening global trade, they’re fulfilling their obligation under international law to prevent genocide by blocking ships of countries that are aiding genocide.
It’s a wonder people on Lemmy don’t understand why their politics are unpopular, when they openly support slave holding terrorists attacking civilian ships.
And yet I will bet you nobody supporting the Houthis will ever win an election.
No, the ICJ has ruled that it is plausible.
And there it is, Zionist genocide denial
It’s a genocide
Israel's Genocide on Occupied Palestine
- De-Gaza: A Year of Israel’s Genocide and the Collapse of World Order - Euro-Med Monitor Report see Chapter 2 and 3
Our first-hand observations of the medical and humanitarian catastrophe inflicted on Gaza are consistent with the descriptions provided by an increasing number of legal experts and organizations concluding that genocide is taking place in Gaza.
- Doctors Without Borders: Life in the death trap that is Gaza
It examines the killing of civilians, damage to and destruction of civilian infrastructure, forcible displacement, the obstruction or denial of life-saving goods and humanitarian aid, and the restriction of power supplies. It analyses Israel’s intent through this pattern of conduct and statements by Israeli decision-makers. It concludes that Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.
- Amnesty: Israel’s Genocide Against Palestinians in Gaza Revealed Through Evidence and Analysis Video and Israel/Occupied Palestinian Territory: ‘You Feel Like You Are Subhuman’: Israel’s Genocide Against Palestinians in Gaza Report
On 26 January 2024, the ICJ said that it was plausible that Israel had breached the Genocide Convention. As an emergency measure, it ordered Israel ensure that its army refrained from genocidal acts against Palestinians.
The ICJ reported, as part of its decisions in March and May, that the situation in Gaza had deteriorated and that Israel had failed to abide by its order in January.
So, when we look at the actions taken, the dropping of thousands and thousands of bombs in a couple of days, including phosphorus bombs, as we heard, on one of the most densely populated areas around the world, together with these proclamations of intent, this indeed constitutes genocidal killing, which is the first act, according to the convention, of genocide. And Israel, I must say, is also perpetrating act number two and three — that is, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and creating condition designed to bring about the destruction of the group by cutting off water, food, supply of energy, bombing hospitals, ordering the fast evictions of hospitals, which the World Health Organization has declared to be, quote, “a death sentence.” So, we’re seeing the combination of genocidal acts with special intent. This is indeed a textbook case of genocide.
More than 800 scholars of international law and genocide have signed a public statement arguing that the Israeli military may be committing genocidal acts against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as the total siege and relentless airstrikes continue to inflict devastation on the occupied territory.
An independent United Nations expert warned Monday that “Israel’s genocidal violence risks leaking out of Gaza and into the occupied Palestinian territory as a whole” as Western governments, corporations, and other institutions keep up their support for the Israeli military, which stands accused of grave war crimes in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.
Our documentation encompasses over 500 incitements of violence and genocidal incitement, appearing in the forms of social media posts, television interviews, and official statements from Israeli politicians, army personnel, journalists, and other influential personalities.
I, Lee Mordechai, a historian by profession and an Israeli citizen, bear witness in this document to the situation in Gaza as events are unfolding. The enormous amount of evidence I have seen, much of it referenced later in this document, has been enough for me to believe that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian population in Gaza. I explain why I chose to use the term below. Israel’s campaign is ostensibly its reaction to the Hamas massacre of Oct. 7, 2023, in which war crimes and crimes against humanity were committed within the context of the longstanding conflict between Israelis and Palestinians that can be dated back to 1917 or 1948 (or other dates). In all cases, historical grievances and atrocities do not justify additional atrocities in the present. Therefore, I consider Israel’s response to Hamas’ actions on Oct. 7 utterly disproportionate and criminal.
Nowhere in there does the ICJ label it genocide.
What lead them to be on position to be able to do such a thing?
Who helped to stabilise the previous gov & infrastructure (hospitals) … and stopped overnight destabilising the country early pre-covid?
That is a different topic not relevant for the current discission.
I don’t know, but I presume the answer is us.
But that doesn’t mean it is at all reasonable to just let them shoot at our boats and, I reiterate, REINSTITUTE SLAVERY.
our boats
Everyone’s boats
Not everyone’s boats, just the ones of countries facilitating genocide, as they are obligated to under international law. They’re not touching Chinese boats, Iranian boats, Turkish boats, etc.
Boats marked with a specific country are not strictly captained, crewed, or even owned by individuals from that country.
They aren’t targeting boats based on their flags, nor their captain, nor their crew, nor their ownership, but based on their connection to Israel.
They are targeting indiscriminately. You might hear otherwise from their statements, but the reality is they don’t seem to have capacity to distinguish
Edit: this has happened numerous times and there is plenty of evidence. Sorry it’s your heroes commiting atrocities
its something that would benefit russia so it was either russia or us
The houthis aren’t exactly the best representatives of the movement but still, this issue would be better solved by stopping arms shipments to israel and pushing them to a ceasefire towards a permanent peace. The houthis have shown that they will stop there attacks when the bombs stop dropping on gaza with this last ceasefire.
These strikes don’t do shit besides hardening the antagonism against the west in Yemen. Ask Saudi Arabia, you can’t take out the houthis with bombs. This is just a way for trump to flex his arms and act like a tough guy.
I do not trust murderous terrorist slavers to keep their word. And even if I did, the mere fact that there are attacking our people is more than justification enough to blow them to Hell.
That doesn’t solve the issue, you blow up one terrorist and five civilians then the brothers/fathers of those five civilians become terrorists. The only thing blowing them up does, besides making the leaders and the people of the u.s. feel tough, is enrich the weapons industry.
We bombed Afghanistan for more then a decade and the taliban still control Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia bombed the houthis for years and they now control Yemen, Israel has leveled gaza and hamas is still in control.
YOU CANT BOMB AWAY TERRORISTS.
So you propose we just let ourselves be attacked?
No, I’m proposing that we push our client state Israel to stop bombing gaza so the attacks will stop. That’s the only way to stop them from attacking us, because again, bombing them won’t stop them, it’ll just fuel further conflict.
Also we arent being attacked, no one in u.s. territory has been harmed, ships in a war zone are being attacked. Are you proposing that we blow the hell out of anyone that killed an american in a war zone? Because Israel has killed American citizens in its war on gaza, so has hamas, should we just carpet bomb the whole area to show we mean business?
First of all, that comparison is bullshit and you know it. The Houthis are purposefully attacking American citizens abroad.
Second of all, I disagree that destroying their capabilities to attack would accomplish nothing and I have no sympathy for genocidal, rape happy slaver terrorists, so you aren’t tugging on my heartstrings by talking about carpet bombings.
Thirdly, as I mentioned, they’re genocidal slaver terrorists. So I do not trust them.
Fourth, this is why any politician supported by Lemmy is obviously going to fail. You have no conception of what normal people think is acceptable. For example: the average American does not hear about Americans being attacked abroad by terrorists who commit rape en mass, support genocide and have reintroduced slavery and think, “We should give these people what they want.”
Explain to me how Israel blowing up a food aid convoy is different then the houthis attacking merchant ships.
oh but that was an accident, they didn’t know the truck with there logo that reported there location to the idf was an aid truck. That’s not there stated policy to blow up aid trucks.
Israel has implemented a full blockade of Gaza since the ceasefire ended. So if an American tried to drive an aid truck across the Gaza border, Israel would blow it up. That’s currently just a threat, and they haven’t done that, but the houthis haven’t attacked a ship since the ceasefire, they only threatened to which is what prompted this strike.
Are all Yemeni rape happy slavery terrorists? Because these bombings are pretty indiscriminate, a majority of the people are civilians. This latest strike was on an apartment building, not some secret houthi military base. They killed a couple terrorist leaders that will be easily replaced, while killing substantially more civilians.
the average American does not hear about Americans being attacked abroad by terrorists who commit rape en mass, support genocide and have reintroduced slavery and think “we should give these people what they want”
All of those descriptors except for the slavery one apply to israel and half of Americans give them unequivocal support.
This isn’t just giving them what they want, the large majority of the world wants a ceasefire in gaza, look at the UN votes. If everyone in the world supports reducing pollution you don’t turn that around and say north Korea and the taliban want to reduce pollution, and we can’t let them get anything they want so we should pollute more. That’s the height of reactionary, oppositional politics that destroys any progress and solidarity.
Ah yes, the moderate “kill them all” approach
They attacked us. My heart does not bleed.
Hopefully it does soon.
A tankie resorting to violence in immediate reaction to a political disagreement?
Must be a day ending in “Y.”
They leveled a building to hit 1 target
