And somehow every single time the problem was so easy to solve, but apparently crying about it is the better solution.
This is just a variant of the “Ask question, use an alt acc to answer it incorrectly” method of getting help.
Harness the OCD of the internet (https://xkcd.com/386/)
The best way to get the right answer on the Internet is not to ask a question; it’s to post the wrong answer.
Perfect demonstration :)
Well played. Glad to assist.
Linus Sebastian . Is this you?
Actually, the best way is to post a question to Reddit.
Truth is, windows has plenty of such small annoyances just as well, it’s just that everyone is used to the windows way of doing it, so it’s not even worth joking about it.
When I first started using Linux I was impressed with how easily everything seemed to work. Then over time I started to get annoyed with all the things that I had no idea how to fix without looking up, and thought about going back to Windows.
Then I used windows again and was immediately reminded of all the stupid bullshit I had to constantly fight with and forgot about because that was just the norm when windows is the only OS you ever use.The times I think about switching back, I just think back to the first month on Linux full time when I realized I was no longer constantly pissed off at everything my system was doing I didn’t want it to do or not doing that I did want. And a lot of it wasn’t even conscious anymore, like just realizing that a constant background radiation was just … Not there anymore.
Of course, having to use it at work every day still helps remind me… But I’m working on at least making my workstation into a Linux box, even if the servers are still going to be Windows.
People just don’t want to have fewer annoyances that are solved differently and most often more easily. Change bad.
“It’s a shame anything has to change. The Sun has changed its position in the sky and I don’t trust it one bit.”
- Welcome to Nightvale
I guess if I had to throw some shade at M$, I really hate how garbage the registry has become. Back in the day it was great for very specific solutions and some personalization, but now I have to crawl through hundreds of drop downs on a fresh install just to fix simple things on Microsoft’s own software.
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So many times I see junior Devs (or not so juniors) and normies seeing an error message and, visibly, static plays between their ears on their mental TV set, then they just click the first button that looks appropriate and complain it didn’t work.
The text of the message does not get read or parsed.
“You need to close the program to continue”. Doesn’t work.
“Unexpected X at line N” Doesn’t work.
Drives me insane.
Unfortunately, so many error messages are so utterly useless that it has taught many people that all errors are just pointless background noise even if they’re actually giving useful info.
I mean, java and Microsoft errors are preceded by 120 characters of useless trash oftentimes, that is equally as infuriating.
Yeah, proprietary software are the worst offenders.
Or Windows gives you a blue screen and just “BAD_POOL_HEADER”.
I got that intermittently at work on an instrument about every week or two. The best answer I could find was “it could be software or hardware related”. Yeah, thanks for that, problem solved. Wish I had thought of that. Not even a time stamp. Finally found out when it occurred to within 20 minutes and there was jack shit in the logs.
IT ended up calling in a service tech to re-image the computer.
Ah, windows logs, another amazing experience that doesn’t make me want to kill everyone.
tail /var/log/thing.logis far too easy
I just watched that Linus tech tips video where the guy uninstalls critical system components by accident while trying to install steam.
First the GUI for the package manager refuses to do it, then apt gives him a warning that he’s going to break his system. It even makes him type “Yes, do what I say!” but he’s too much of a clown to read the warning messages all over his screen. He even smirks at the camera about how silly it is that he would need to type such a thing before he proceeds to mess everything up.
People were trying to defend him, saying that the system shouldn’t have allowed him to do it or that the warnings should have been flashing and shooting rainbows out of the monitor or that a robot arm should have come out and started honking his clown nose to let him know he was doing something stupid.
In fairness, when you’re used to windows those kinds of warnings basically mean nothing to you.
It’s like when you hit snooze on an alarm so many times that you just sleep through your alarm and it becomes background noise.
Also, it’s defiantly a glaring issue if installing steam means uninstalling your whole DE.
Still, as a tech YTer who was exploring something out of his elements he should have looked into every error, warning, and message.
Also, it’s defiantly a glaring issue if installing steam means uninstalling your whole DE.
Can you explain to me how the fuck that even happened?
And 2. Could it have been prevented by him actually following the installation guide and rehashing the bloody image?
Someone made a video about a steam bug that deleted the PC, not sure if it’s the same bug that happened with Linus but shows how some bugs has that kind of power, has a great explanation: How A Steam Bug Deleted Someone’s Entire PC
Linus and Linux is a rare view behind the curtain
There have been some accusations about him being a sociopath by Louis Rossmann and others, so it might just be that CIA money flowing into his pocket thats preventing him from rational thought
Also, isn’t he a fucking IT guy? How did he even manage to build that many PCs and make all those videos about tech topics when he can’t even read a red coloured warning and having to type in a very suspicious message?
I haven’t watched much of Linus’s stuff, but his behavior in the three Linux challenge videos reminded me of the way Conan O’Brien would act with his staff. It struck me as an off-putting blend of arrogance, entitlement, and impatient senility.
Yes, exactly
Like, take his 10 year old Video of sticking in aß many Keyboards as possible
He somehow knew all the standards, could troubleshoot it all and still just seemed very competent
With the Linux video, I think he’s like trying to behave like a new user? (Like please tell me who the fuck would be a new user and not go to the forum once there’s a problem, but instead use this terminal and ignore all warnings?)
But even then, like, he knows his channel is not directed towards very tech incompetent people he is trying to emulate. But instead of just doing it like he himself would use Linux, he still put up this costume of ignorance and pretended like this is hard to do. But if you even had the slightest experience with the terminal, even cmd, you will instantly see for how dumb he is taking you by „Trying to emulate his viewership”. And even if you don’t want to make a positive video about Linux, just talk about how office dosent work on it, or how kernel level anti cheat is bad
But instead he is still making videos about trying some very special shit no one would ever do (like install arch as a beginner, install SteamOS even tho there’s Chimera and Bazzite, etc) failing at this very special thing, and then talking about it like this is the Linux experience.
Like, for real, I will bet my nudes that this decade he will try to install Gentoo, say that its the Linux experience, fail badly, and say that Linux is bad.
Linus bothers me quite a bit and I’m fairly critical of him, but I don’t know if I would go as far as saying he is a sociopath. We would probably even be friends, but I would call him on his bull shit. This is my own observations but he strikes me as having pretty strong ADHD combined with getting lucky and big a bit faster than he could adjust to.
His company has a much lower turnover rate than the industry standard and it doesn’t seem like anyone that has been on screen couldn’t do well elsewhere. That implies to me that the working environment is at least pretty good. He also seems to want to do right by his employees and knows that he is the face of the company and ultimately their paycheck. That combined with an ego that is a little too big, and maybe some issues with reading the room associated with being on the spectrum (again supposition), makes some of his reactions to public push back understandable even if it’s not OK.
Also it depends on what you consider an IT guy. He doesn’t have experience coding or doing any low level stuff, he just really enjoys building computers and tech in general which can explain a lot of his poor or dumb decisions. What he appears to actually be very good at with tech is his knowledge of supply chains, interactions between companies, and knowing what consumers are likely to actually want.
Didn’t one of his staff admit to self harming as a way to get out of work?
That would be news to me.
People seem to take an all or nothing approach to how they view topics or judge people, especially when they are very far removed from it. I think my take is a bit more nuanced and has some value for that reason, since I am able to be critical of some of the things they do while enjoying others.
Found the context. https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691693769903796331
To be fair that was a broken package in pop_os. It wasn’t entirely his fault. If his view was to operate as a normal user , having the os uninstalling your desktop environment when you try to install steam is a valid concern.
This. I went to check the video and there’s no way any user would expect installing steam to uninstall system packages. And yes, even though there’s errors on the screen, the average user just clicks ok so that’s the most average user experience. I do think it is strange he went to terminal to try to install when the UI failed, but as an old power user I might’ve tried the same. All in all, very unlucky for him to run into that problem, but also any normal user who immediately couldn’t install steam would just be so put off by Linux not working immediately they’d probably go back to Windows. I was also genuinely surprised the video is only 3 years old
Windows is better… oh, really? Linux is like a breath of fresh air for me, and in two years of using it, I have never noticed or encountered any critical problems or bugs, but when there is a problem, it is usually not so difficult to solve it because there are resources and people who can help.
My only regret is that I didn’t try Linux a few years ago.
Same experience here… It feels like what using personal computers was always supposed to feel like before capitalism infected it.
Windows is better - they wouldn’t use it for atm’s if it wasn’t superior
i’ve seen atms running os/2 warp. they take what they are given.
People routinely use worse options because of familiarity
Jokes aside, I asked my previous boss once why everyone kept paying for Microsoft products instead of using FOSS. The answer was paid support and you can sell it.
Well they had to use Windows as OS/2 wasn’t available/viable anymore.
Myguy, let me introduce you to the /s modifier
gr8 b8 m8
Bless your heart ❤️
I don’t like windows, but I’ve been using various distros on and off for 15 years and it was absolutely never painless. Nvidia drivers still barely work for me (although admittedly they are shit on windows too). Making my computer wake from sleep is the stuff of nightmares. Integrated laptop webcam? No way in hell.
The only thing I give Linux a top score in is compatibility with my audio interface.
How is this clown behavior? If anything, not accepting the proposed solution to the issue would be it
This is more like, wisdom of the ancients kind of thing
I’ve been in the comments section once or twice. The solution was “RTFM.”
The good old ways. I miss them.
Nowadays, it’s more “User Manual? You mean the Manufacturer’s Opinion?”
RTFM in this case means: Read the fucking man-page
Sometimes I get confused with man pages and have to go on other sites with different explanations and examples. Maybe that’s just me
No, that’s the state of documentation on Linux.
In OpenBSD, bad or lacking documentation is treated as a release-critical bug in the package.
The man pages would be so much less dry if they just put a few examples at the top. But nope. So I continue to
curl cht.sh/taruntil the heat death of the universeEdit: autocorrect
As always the best way to get a response on the internet is not to ask a question.
The best way is to post a wrong answer.
Classic murphys law.
Good ol’ Murphy. The Hammurabi of the internet.
This is right and every body agrees.
You are WRONG! That is Cunningham’s Law!
(Hook, line, and sinker)
I used to do some linux training for new hires at my old job. The company had a training room with a rack of servers for lab work.
It was a training on how to deploy the product on a customer server. I personally wrote the instructions and tested them on the lab machines after a fresh install.
I had others test the lab instructions. I even had people from non-tech roles verify that they too could do the labs by following the instructions.
Still I get a guy in the training complaining that “this doesn’t work” and I can see from the error on his screen that he must have skipped one of the steps in the lab instructions.
He’s not even trying to figure it out. Even though others are finishing, he just decided that it doesn’t work and gave up.
Well, if you’re expecting users to read…
Yeah its a tough crowd sometimes. Especially when doing that training with our customers.
I’ll never forget the time I was explainging how something worked and one of the customers interrupts me saying, “I don’t care about this – can you just show me where to click?”
I’ve done my share of training too. Some people just want recipes. They have no interest in knowing why they’re doing something.
Debianees will only answer your inquiry, however, if it is worded in a proper polite way. Here is a proper, polite way to ask for tech support.
OMG! DEBIAN IS SO PATHETIC! IT CAN’T ________, BUT WINDOWS CAN _____ JUST BY CLICKING _______!
Rushing to defend their precious Linux, they will give the most descriptive, polite, useful information possible. If you use “normal” manners though, you will most likely get flamed, insulted, and receive at least 10 viruses by email. All of which will be written in “1337”, for no appearent reason. Your IP will be traced, and eventually your Linux OS will be hijacked and destroyed. In some cases your CPU might melt from having to handle so much hacking by insecure “Debianees”.
Windows and Mac have taught people to ignore safety error messages. We’re gonna be dealing with the fallout of that for generations.
Yeah? Try playing MYST VR with a quest 2 and Nvidia GPU.
I love Linux, but sometimes I just wanna pin it against the wall and make violent love to it until my issue is fixed. Though usually the love making is more of a frustrating 6 hours of troubleshooting.
BTW, are we allowed to sexualize an OS?
Initial release: September 17, 1991; 33 years ago
Sure
I had really bad performance with an nvidia GPU in VR in Linux, once, and all I could find that described the same specific issue I had was a steam community discussion post by someone who claimed that the steam vr compositor was just bugged, and no less that it was a bug regression, and there was nothing to do but wait for Valve to fix it. I think the post was already a year old when I found it.
I haven’t tried it again, yet, but I’ve also moved to arch with Wayland since then. And the nvidia drivers did become much more reliable for me, so maybe it will magically work out of the box this time… Or maybe it won’t, and I’ll just end up wasting hours trying to find a solution while wading through AI polluted Google searches again before giving up.
This is honestly the only reason Linux is not my only OS. I have a laptop with an integrated and dedicated nvidia rtx3060 gpu, and Linux has trouble with the Nvidia drivers and I get stuttering in almost all games and 3d applications.
I went into a discord specialised in lenovo Legion on linux, and even they couldn’t help me, though they were very helpful. My requirements aren’t even insane, I just want to slice files for my 3d printer without issues and play a 2d browser game from time to time.
I’m still debugging it, it mug have to do with the power management firmware. But this is not ready for the mainstream consumer if its necessary to go this deep.
quest 2
There’s your problem right there. /s
Step (5): realise the lion’s share of people have no clue how anything works, and throwing a tantrum is their only (successful) technique to any technical problem.
When I worked as a system administrator, I discovered that most people would skip curiosity and go straight for anger and abuse. You collapsed a row in excel again and don’t remember how to undo it? Time to call helpdesk and yell at them how stupid they are for breaking your computer again.
In the late 1990s/early 2000s, there was some satire article about how to get most effective Linux support. Just write an angry news/blog article about how Linux sucks because it doesn’t (insert the thing you’re having problems with here). You bet someone will immediately respond how you’re an idiot and you should (insert detailed explanation of how to fix the thing here).
I gave up on switching to linux after losing 2 entire evenings setting it up (linux mint) just for my games not to run and not a single solution I could find working.
I’ll give it another try once I buy my new PC and set that up, but Linux is not as plug and play as windows and I totally understand that non-IT people want to stay away from it now. The community makes it sound as if everything is almost out of the box simple but that is not the case at all.
Don’t give up before you have tried using memes to get support!
The only way to actually get support with linux issues huh 😂
Your plan sounds good, then you can take your time working on the old PC and re-install as needed, especially because the newer windows versions are happy to kill a dual booted Linux.
Thanks, here’s to hoping it works out
Then probably your Pc was too new
Id always recommend using Opensuse anyway
And how did your Games not run? Did you even try to look them up on Protondb?
edit: Oh, I get it. Anyways, how much is Microsoft/the CIA paying you for this?
This pc is from about 2022/2023
The games were gold or platinum on protonDB and run fine on my steam deck
Steam / Lutris said they’re running, nothing shows up.
Your edit is another reason I actually rather stay away from Linux instead of giving it a chance / asking for help. The community feels way too elitist and insulting to anyone not praising it.
There are clowns in every community and they are typically the loudest ones. Sorry Linux didn’t work out for you this time around. Hardware variables are hard to account for which if I had to bet, hardware weirdness is likely to be the root of your issue.
Sadly people like this have been there at every corner when I talk about my issues/reasons for not switching (yet). I still want to, but also think this turns off a lot of people.
That was also my guess certainly with an nvidia GPU. My next pc will be AMD based partially because I really want to make the step to Linux
Yeah, depending on its age an NVIDIA GPU can be a non-starter. That said, I had a 2060 when I first transitioned to Linux last year and had no issues.
Its a 3080 bought at release (its a bit newer than the rest of my pc). Was already afraid having an NVIDIA GPU was gonna mess it all up
You might be interested in giving Nobara Linux a try. It has a built in automated NVIDIA driver manager that you can run on first boot.
Im sorry, I just saw a downvote and thoughts this was another post just ranting and not wanting help
You should probably try Gamescope. I had the same issue many times with GNOME, so using a seperate renderer would at least solve wether the Problem is with the DE or the PC itself
Also, if you dont use proton as the runner you should have a seperate wine directory with vcredist installed for every game, since wine dosent like having more than 1 thing per directory.
Also try installing lutris and steam through flatpak, that way they are system independent too
Thanks for clearing it up. It is a slight rant as well I wasted a lot of time haha, I’ve already removed the Linux partition and made it windows again so I could reinstall my games. As I’m planning on getting my new pc within the next few months (as long as budget allows) I’m not planning on retrying until I have that system.
I’ve looked up gamescope but can’t figure out how I’d get that to work, did put it in my notes for when I’m trying Linux again tho, perhaps a video will clear it up. Thanks!
I tried proton and wine (at least, steam used proton and if I understand correctly Lutris uses Wine?) but both just had the same issue
I had steam installed through flatpak so don’t think that was the issue either
this right here is the bullshit that keeps people out, brother
Same things goes for leftist thinking (I see you’re a .ml enjoyer)
Stop trying to browbeat people into your ideology, calling them stupid provokes an irrational negative emotional response, even if your ideas are objectively more logical, as they’ll just reject it
This is why capitalism is so effective with their “come to the dark side, we have cookies!”
Just because it’s free doesn’t mean you don’t need to sell it
