• @ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml
    link
    fedilink
    281 year ago

    Tankie usually refers to Marxism-Leninism

    no it usually refers to whatever the fuck the person posting it seems to think it is, there is not a coherent label for it.

    Orthodox Marxism, trotskyism, libertarian Marxism, bulshevism, etc.

    Oh cool, which societies use those?

    • Dr. Jenkem
      link
      fedilink
      English
      31 year ago

      no it usually refers to whatever the fuck the person posting it seems to think it is, there is not a coherent label for it.

      Why are you letting libs define everything? You and I both know they’re dumbasses and shouldn’t be taken seriously.

      Oh cool, which societies use those?

      Anyone could have said the same to Marx about communism at any point in his life, as he died before the October revolution.

      • @ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        161 year ago

        Anyone could have said the same to Marx about communism at any point in his life, as he died before the October revolution.

        the difference is you named a bunch of dead ideologies that will never be revived, ML is literally the only form of marxism still flourishing

          • @ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml
            link
            fedilink
            151 year ago

            how is that speculation, its material; Im only interested in ideologies with proven merit.

            Im willing to take a chance of a synthesis on a new idea, but it has to actually offer people something.

            • Dr. Jenkem
              link
              fedilink
              English
              41 year ago

              It’s speculation because you don’t know what the future holds. And just because you’re not interested in a particular ideology or don’t think it has merit doesn’t make it any less communist.

              My only point is that words do in fact have meaning, Marxist-Leninism is not synonymous with communism. Therefore, one can be anti-tankie without being anti-communist.

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]
                link
                fedilink
                English
                101 year ago

                “Orthodox Marxists” can hardly be said to exist, because the classical formulation of Marxism has long been empirically refuted, hence the need for new schools. Even Luxembourgists are more respectable than “Orthodox Marxists”.

            • Dr. Jenkem
              link
              fedilink
              English
              31 year ago

              Nope, just trying to have a rational, good faith discussion.

              • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
                link
                fedilink
                English
                121 year ago

                Your position is idealist and neither rational nor good faith - don’t expect others to meet you with merits your position lacks.

                • Dr. Jenkem
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  41 year ago

                  I don’t see how acknowledging that other branches of communism and Marxism exist is idealism, bad faith, or irrational.

                  • @ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml
                    link
                    fedilink
                    13
                    edit-2
                    1 year ago

                    Because you only advocate for ideas that dont exist in reality, and deride actually existing marxism as ‘tankie’, you can continue to advocate for idealist positions, but it requires you to build a coherent movement around it otherwise its just masterbation and contrarianism.

                  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    10
                    edit-2
                    1 year ago

                    That’s not what you’ve done, though, is it? If you’re unable to describe your own arguments, how can you possibly hope to engage with other people?

      • o_d [he/him]
        link
        fedilink
        101 year ago

        Why are you letting libs define everything? You and I both know they’re dumbasses and shouldn’t be taken seriously.

        Yeah I’m sure everyone in the lemmyverse is using the word tankie to refer to those of us who support the 1956 Soviet intervention in Hungary /s