A lot of people who actually live there seem to disagree with you, and say things got a lot worse for them once they got to experience enlightened western democracy. Obviously we should take your word for it though, since you’ve clearly shown yourself to be a knowledgeable intellectual in this thread.
Here is the projection. When faced with your own methods you are quick to point out the bad faith which you yourself have systematically applied in every single comment in this very thread.
Maybe educate yourself on the subject then. A democracy is a government that works in the interest of the majority and is held accountable to the people of the country. A government like that would ensure that everybody had food, housing, healthcare, education, jobs, and retirement the way USSR did and the way none of western “democracies” seem to be able to.
You are really delusional and a liar. I do not believe for one second you grew up in the USSR, not one nano second. If you were present during that that period you would have noticed that these proud USSR population did not walk but ran towards the west and all the things they really wanted. Not what USSR barely could provide (remember the lines before shops? No you don’t, you were not there) but what the west could and would provide. You casually forgot that. Well, you could not forget little liar as you lied about being alive and present in that period.
You can’t believe that I grew up in USSR and actually liked my life there because you’re smooth brained victim of western propaganda. And when you’re faced with people who actually lived in USSR and liked it, you’re incapable of processing this information. Meanwhile, you can stop calling me a liar, cause I still even have my original USSR passport. Learn to deal with it troll.
You can keep calling me whatever you like, but anybody reading this thread can clearly see that you’re just insane.
This is such a disengenuous statement dripping with derision. Honestly trotting out this glib phrase is a clear declaration that you’re not interested in a good faith discussion.
A democracy is a government that works in the interest of the majority and is held accountable to the people of the country.
The vast majority of people in “shithole western countries” would say that this is true of their government. I’m not sure that’s true for people living in the USSR.
everybody had food, housing, healthcare, education, jobs, and retirement the way USSR did
We have all of those things. Sure they’re not directly provided by the government, but the government develops legislation to ensure that the overwhelming majority of citizens have great access to those things. The idea of a food shortage in Australia is unheard of. Was that true of the USSR?
This is such a disengenuous statement dripping with derision. Honestly trotting out this glib phrase is a clear declaration that you’re not interested in a good faith discussion.
Don’t pretend you were ever interested in having any sort of good faith discussion here.
The vast majority of people in “shithole western countries” would say that this is true of their government. I’m not sure that’s true for people living in the USSR.
Given the level of discontent in western societies right now, I don’t believe you. Meanwhile, as opinion polls show majority of people who lived in USSR now say they prefer the old system after getting a taste of the capitalist paradise.
We have all of those things.
There are literal tent cities of homeless people growing in many G7 countries each and every year:
And here is the whataboutism. Instead of replying to the question you attempt to deflect by pointing fingers. Again, typical of your bad faith behaviour.
Very on the nose for you to use a logical fallacy as a form of argument. Comparing democracy in USSR to the available alternatives is precisely how you determine the quality of the democracy.
After USSR collapsed life got very hard, and my family ended up moving around a lot to make ends meet. I don’t think people in the west understand the kinds of horrors we had to live through after the collapse. I can tell you a personal anecdote where we started to have food shortages, and people would line up in front of a grocery store early in the morning like a black friday sale. Then people working at the store would just wheel out a cart with whatever they had and people would rush to grab what they could. Since I was a small kid at a time, I could weave between people easier to get to the food. I was literally risking my life getting trampled just so I wouldn’t starve for the day.
Anybody who cheers the collapse of USSR and claims it was a good thing is a piece of human garbage.
I was pretty happy with my life in USSR, so I definitely would move back if that was to happen. However, I don’t really see a path towards that in the foreseeable future. Russia is very much capitalist nowadays, and I don’t think there’s any real political will to go back to a communist system at the moment. That said, there is no stigma against communism within Russian public. Lots of people who grew up in USSR are still alive today, and they overwhelmingly prefer the old system. They obviously have influence on the younger generation as well, so communism is generally seen in a positive light in Russia. Perhaps now that Russia is falling into Chinese sphere of influence that may result in a similar model at some point.
I think it’s also worth acknowledging that USSR did collapse, so clearly it wouldn’t make sense to try and recreate the same system. What needs to happen is that people need to look critically at what USSR did well, and what the problems were to build a better system informed by that experience. I hope that happens within my lifetime, but you can never know what the future will hold.
I grew up in USSR, and a lot of numbskulls called it a dictatorship.
How were those free and fair elections in the USSR?
A lot better than in western shithole countries.
Always shocked to see how debilitating of a mental illness tankie brain is
Amazing counter point you got there.
You should re read your own comment that I’m responding to. You weren’t exactly making a point, lmfao. Truly mental illness bruv
Nah, I made my point quite clearly bruv.
Ah, well, then my thought-out counter point is that the elections in the eastern shithole countries were worse :)
A lot of people who actually live there seem to disagree with you, and say things got a lot worse for them once they got to experience enlightened western democracy. Obviously we should take your word for it though, since you’ve clearly shown yourself to be a knowledgeable intellectual in this thread.
Here is the projection. When faced with your own methods you are quick to point out the bad faith which you yourself have systematically applied in every single comment in this very thread.
No, I’ve made actual arguments in this thread. Maybe read them and try to comprehend what was said.
I’m speechless.
Maybe educate yourself on the subject then. A democracy is a government that works in the interest of the majority and is held accountable to the people of the country. A government like that would ensure that everybody had food, housing, healthcare, education, jobs, and retirement the way USSR did and the way none of western “democracies” seem to be able to.
You are really delusional and a liar. I do not believe for one second you grew up in the USSR, not one nano second. If you were present during that that period you would have noticed that these proud USSR population did not walk but ran towards the west and all the things they really wanted. Not what USSR barely could provide (remember the lines before shops? No you don’t, you were not there) but what the west could and would provide. You casually forgot that. Well, you could not forget little liar as you lied about being alive and present in that period.
I was and I call you out: liar!
You can’t believe that I grew up in USSR and actually liked my life there because you’re smooth brained victim of western propaganda. And when you’re faced with people who actually lived in USSR and liked it, you’re incapable of processing this information. Meanwhile, you can stop calling me a liar, cause I still even have my original USSR passport. Learn to deal with it troll.
You can keep calling me whatever you like, but anybody reading this thread can clearly see that you’re just insane.
Nice photoshop lol.
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Feel free to go back. Nobody wants you outside of there anyway
This is such a disengenuous statement dripping with derision. Honestly trotting out this glib phrase is a clear declaration that you’re not interested in a good faith discussion.
The vast majority of people in “shithole western countries” would say that this is true of their government. I’m not sure that’s true for people living in the USSR.
We have all of those things. Sure they’re not directly provided by the government, but the government develops legislation to ensure that the overwhelming majority of citizens have great access to those things. The idea of a food shortage in Australia is unheard of. Was that true of the USSR?
Don’t pretend you were ever interested in having any sort of good faith discussion here.
Given the level of discontent in western societies right now, I don’t believe you. Meanwhile, as opinion polls show majority of people who lived in USSR now say they prefer the old system after getting a taste of the capitalist paradise.
There are literal tent cities of homeless people growing in many G7 countries each and every year:
CIA says that people in USSR ate just as much as Americans after WW2 period while having better nutrition:
And here is the whataboutism. Instead of replying to the question you attempt to deflect by pointing fingers. Again, typical of your bad faith behaviour.
Very on the nose for you to use a logical fallacy as a form of argument. Comparing democracy in USSR to the available alternatives is precisely how you determine the quality of the democracy.
Blablabla- more lies.
Why did you leave?
After USSR collapsed life got very hard, and my family ended up moving around a lot to make ends meet. I don’t think people in the west understand the kinds of horrors we had to live through after the collapse. I can tell you a personal anecdote where we started to have food shortages, and people would line up in front of a grocery store early in the morning like a black friday sale. Then people working at the store would just wheel out a cart with whatever they had and people would rush to grab what they could. Since I was a small kid at a time, I could weave between people easier to get to the food. I was literally risking my life getting trampled just so I wouldn’t starve for the day.
Anybody who cheers the collapse of USSR and claims it was a good thing is a piece of human garbage.
I see, that’s pretty traumatic. It explains your hatred of the post-USSR regime.
Would you move back if a post Putin leader would revert back to the USSR ways?
I was pretty happy with my life in USSR, so I definitely would move back if that was to happen. However, I don’t really see a path towards that in the foreseeable future. Russia is very much capitalist nowadays, and I don’t think there’s any real political will to go back to a communist system at the moment. That said, there is no stigma against communism within Russian public. Lots of people who grew up in USSR are still alive today, and they overwhelmingly prefer the old system. They obviously have influence on the younger generation as well, so communism is generally seen in a positive light in Russia. Perhaps now that Russia is falling into Chinese sphere of influence that may result in a similar model at some point.
I think it’s also worth acknowledging that USSR did collapse, so clearly it wouldn’t make sense to try and recreate the same system. What needs to happen is that people need to look critically at what USSR did well, and what the problems were to build a better system informed by that experience. I hope that happens within my lifetime, but you can never know what the future will hold.
OK thanks for your personal insights.